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RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - NATI BENGALS - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 02:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sure, but that's not what we're talking about. Yes it is. He gave one speech in Ohio that day. If you can’t put 2+2 together. Not sure what to tell you. The bloodbath will be the least of it if he doesn’t get elected… sure cars. What scare tactic is that? People warning against this very man who actually attempted to end our democracy? Yes we are discussing a speech from the same man who gave a similar speech immediately before YOUR capitol was assaulted. Why play dumb? Your willingness as a LEO to ignore threats, make excuses for, and play whataboutism with, a speech from the same man who incited a violent mob that assaulted our capitol and tried to steal an election is quite frankly disgusting. Keep overlooking the fact he started the speech saluting criminals in jail for desecrating the symbol of democracy in your country. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Mike M (the other one) - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 04:17 PM)hollodero Wrote: ? As far as I can gather, many people are exempt from paying federal income tax for one reason or another. On a quick search, I found this site that claims 28% of households pay no net federal taxes. Many of them still have to file. Can't get the EITC money with out filing. Others it says are using loopholes to pay a net of zero, still fling though. It's not quite the same as not fling and avoiding the taxes. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Dill - 03-19-2024 (03-18-2024, 08:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Left leaning fact checker Snopes rules Trump was speaking about a bloodbath for the economy. Looks like the "bloodbath" comment has distracted us from the 100% tariff on cars produced in Mexico. How are Trump's promised policies sounding to you now? RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - hollodero - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 05:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Many of them still have to file. Well, it's effectively the same, but I do get your point. However, I don't see a valid reason to deny US citizens representation and voting rights because they pay no taxes. That's not democracy. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Mike M (the other one) - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 05:36 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, it's effectively the same, but I do get your point. However, I don't see a valid reason to deny US citizens representation and voting rights because they pay no taxes. That's not democracy. TBH. I have no issues against them being a state. In 2020, PR voted for statehood, the majority said yes at a 54%ish clip, unfortunately only 55% of all voters voted. So the DOJ said invalid results and their own government is mixed on it as well. Oddly enough, their Left leaning politicians do not want to be a State. They even have Extremist parties now that are against it and vying for power. It's a mess. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Dill - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 04:42 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: What scare tactic is that? People warning against this very man who actually attempted to end our democracy? Yes, I remember back in 2020, on the question of whether Trump would leave office peacefully, people in this forum were diluting Trump rhetoric and priding themselves on their good sense in not taking Trump literally and media "overreaction" seriously. (03-19-2024, 04:42 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Yes it is. He gave one speech in Ohio that day. If you can’t put 2+2 together. Not sure what to tell you. Earlier on this thread, Hollo and Bels noted that apparent shift in emphasis (referent?) as well-- There'll be a "Bloodbath for the whole" and "that" will be "the least of it." What will be the least of it? and for what "whole"? At first glance, it sounds like "the whole" could mean the Mexican auto market. They'd be unable to sell cars. Hence disaster. But that Mexican bloodbath would only occur if he's elected and puts tariffs on Mexican built cars. However, he says a bloodbath for "the country" if he's NOT elected. That bloodbath must refer to the US, since he's not running in Mexico. And "that" would be least of it. "That" refers to the automarket? There'll be a widespread "economic" bloodbath, but not just involving cars? Trump is no economist. He is an authoritarian populist who often encourages/predicts violence among his followers. E.g. no economic metaphors in this warning: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-warns-potential-death-destruction-charged-hush-money-probe-rcna76500 So pointing out there'll be a "bloodbath for the whole" CAN be an economic metaphor doesn't really secure what Trump meant or what his followers "heard" him say. Here are his words:"They think that they're going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China. If you're listening President Xi [Jinping], and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal: Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you're building in Mexico right now, and you think you're gonna get that, you're gonna not hire Americans and you're gonna sell the cars to us -- no. "We're gonna put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you're not gonna be able to sell those guys, if I get elected!" Trump said. "Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath for the whole -- that's gonna to be the least of it -- it's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it," he said. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-seeks-fundraise-off-bloodbath-controversy/story?id=108246320 RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - hollodero - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 05:53 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: TBH. I have no issues against them being a state. That results are invalid due to turnout seems unheard of. Only 70% participated in the Brexit vote, no one argued that the results should be invalid because of that. I wouldn't know too much about how the efforts actually died, but it seems democrats are in favor of statehood because they want the two senators, republicans are opposed because they don't want said senators and it's party politics deciding the fate of these citizens. The 2020 vote was not the only recent one where statehood got a majority either. Now, if a majority of Puerto Ricans would vote against having all the rights of any US citizen, I'd be in a bind with my opinion. But in principle, I can not fathom not granting them representation and a vote when it comes to who's their president. Alas, it's not a hill I really plan to die on, aside from the fact that it is most certainly not undemocratic or even condemnable to want voting rights for all unblemisshed US citizens, which is why I opened this whole barrel in the first place. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Goalpost - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 06:03 PM)Dill Wrote: You didn't include the last sentence to the statement. The whole statement was..... Now, if I don't get elected, it's gonna be a bloodbath for the whole, that's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it. But they're not gonna sell those cars." RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Mike M (the other one) - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 06:15 PM)hollodero Wrote: That results are invalid due to turnout seems unheard of. Only 70% participated in the Brexit vote, no one argued that the results should be invalid because of that. I wouldn't know too much about how the efforts actually died, but it seems democrats are in favor of statehood because they want the two senators, republicans are opposed because they don't want said senators and it's party politics deciding the fate of these citizens. The 2020 vote was not the only recent one where statehood got a majority either. Stop, I don't think it's an R vs D thing. they are a mixed bag. I think that's just bs pollical garbage talk the typical pointing fingers at each other. Most PR's are Conservative Christians For example: They are against abortion and more conservative socially than US Dems. Dems think that just because they are a "minority" they will get the vote. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - hollodero - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 06:39 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Stop, I don't think it's an R vs D thing. they are a mixed bag. I think that's just bs pollical garbage talk the typical pointing fingers at each other. Maybe it is not, I just assumed. It's just, when it comes to voting every stance, imho, usually is fueled by what aids the respective parties. Eg. Dems are in favor of mail-in votes and against voter ID laws because they believe it helps them; republicans are against mail-in and for voter ID because the feel lower turnouts help them. But maybe the PR question is different, I really don't know. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Dill - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 06:38 PM)Goalpost Wrote: You didn't include the last sentence to the statement. The whole statement was..... So a bloodbath for our country because . . . ? RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - SunsetBengal - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 05:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Many of them still have to file. (03-19-2024, 06:38 PM)Goalpost Wrote: You didn't include the last sentence to the statement. The whole statement was..... (03-19-2024, 08:18 PM)Dill Wrote: So a bloodbath for our country because . . . ? Yeah, selective editing and organized planned attacks on words is so 2016... RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Dill - 03-19-2024 (03-19-2024, 08:47 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, selective editing and organized planned attacks on words is so 2016... ?? I'm in the dark here, Sunset. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Mike M (the other one) - 03-31-2024 Well if you need more evidence of Puerto Rico's stance. Just read all about that "warm" welcome they gave Kamala Harris who gaily clapped along while they insulted her. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Nately120 - 04-01-2024 (03-31-2024, 04:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well if you need more evidence of Puerto Rico's stance. I won't believe PR hates democrats until the GOP pushes to make it a state. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Belsnickel - 04-01-2024 (04-01-2024, 12:14 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I won't believe PR hates democrats until the GOP pushes to make it a state. PR is just like everywhere else, a mixed bag. Honestly, the politics on the island with regards to the US mainland is more split between "wants to be a state" and "wants to be completely independent" than it is between Democrat and Republican. But, since they can't vote for POTUS and don't have a real vote in Congress, our politicians in general don't really care about them. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - GMDino - 04-01-2024 (03-31-2024, 04:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well if you need more evidence of Puerto Rico's stance. I did read it. https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-puerto-rico-protest-ae7f0add9b8df3d1f7e88239ac8a5839 Seems they are divided there as we are here, with many of the protestors wanting a cease fire in the Gaza Strip. Quote:[color=var(--color-byline-authors)]BY DÁNICA COTO This is why people need to show their work rather than just post vague references to try and defend their point of view. Harris had both protestors and supporters there. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Mike M (the other one) - 04-01-2024 (04-01-2024, 09:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: I did read it. Show their work? are you a child unable to use google? If i use a meme is that "showing" my work? RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - GMDino - 04-01-2024 (04-01-2024, 09:52 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Show their work? are you a child unable to use google? Your post: (03-31-2024, 04:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well if you need more evidence of Puerto Rico's stance. Implied that Harris was met with a less than warm welcome, as you had "warm" in quotes. The actual story, that you didn't link, shows there were a "handful of protestors" (AP's words) who mostly were upset with the war in the Gaza Strip. There were also supporters chanting "USA". Yes, I am able to google...I did just that to show how your post was biased opinion versus the facts of what happened. When I say "show your work" I mean if you are claiming something backs up your opinion then show it. That gives other readers an chance to see the information versus just your opinion of it. There was a former poster who would post "their" opinions here all the time that were literally just a copy and paste from other articles but they never provided the link, therefore implying all the thoughts were their own and not just supporting their own thoughts. Sometimes a meme can convey a thought in a way words cannot. Sorry that it triggers you, as this isn't the first time you've commented about it. RE: Trump Comes to Ohio and Threatens the Entire Country - Mike M (the other one) - 04-01-2024 (04-01-2024, 10:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: Your post: The original article was one i read from my phone and I post here from the Laptop. They sang songs telling her to get out and because she doesn't know the language she clapped right along with them. I found that to be quite amusing. I don't see the article from my PC, but the main reason they were chanting against her was because of some requirement that Biden did that has made it harder for the common person to get a home. Unfortuantely I can't recall or find exactly what that was, all these liberal sites aren't providing those details. But they are basically dividing the classes into upper and lower. You know that Inclusion thing.. I'm sure it'll pop up sooner or later. I work from home so i only post here when on break. |