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RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-29-2020 Just curious what conservatives who don’t understand the need for testing think of this article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-state-met-14-day-230252981.html Quote:As a handful of states begin to ease stay-at-home restrictions, no state that has opted to reopen has come close to the federally recommended 14 consecutive days of declining cases. Trump, always the pillar of consistency , tweeted Texas’ governor was doing a great job for reopening his state despite publicly disagreeing with Georgia’s governor for doing the same just a few days ago which was just a few days after criticizing other states for not reopening. So within the span of a week Trump has taken diametrically opposed stances three times. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 09:58 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Just curious what conservatives who don’t understand the need for testing think of this article: They don't care. If they cared/understood they would have turned on him long ago. But if they were conservative they wouldn't have supported him in the first place either. RE: Coronavirus - Goalpost - 04-29-2020 Some good medical news today. Gilead Sciences drug REMDESIVIR has shown positive results. It is not a vaccine but a treatment. The drug was given to patients 'advanced' with the disease with good results. This might be the 1st test that has passed positively under the strict guidelines that a person like Fauci or Birx would approve of. It is now in Phase 3 trials with hopeful intentions to be fast tracked. So important were the results that Gilead was actually halted on the stock market this morning. This might be a game changer. The fear with the virus is that to many it could be a death sentence but now an actual treatment could diffuse some of this. The drug is not new. Just one that has passed so far strict testing. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 04-29-2020 This is the kind of dumb stuff that we have to deal with. From a friend on FB. And people believe it. The same people who defend everything Trump says about the virus or defend what he says because he's just "thinking out loud". Sad times. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 10:27 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Some good medical news today. Gilead Sciences drug REMDESIVIR has shown positive results. It is not a vaccine but a treatment. The drug was given to patients 'advanced' with the disease with good results. This might be the 1st test that has passed positively under the strict guidelines that a person like Fauci or Birx would approve of. It is now in Phase 3 trials with hopeful intentions to be fast tracked. So important were the results that Gilead was actually halted on the stock market this morning. This might be a game changer. The fear with the virus is that to many it could be a death sentence but now an actual treatment could diffuse some of this. The drug is not new. Just one that has passed so far strict testing. This is important: remdesivir has shown "positive results" according to the manufacturer who has a vested interest in selling remdesivir. Remdesivir is an anti-viral medication similar to oseltamivir which you know as Tamiflu prescribed for the flu. Tamiflu is mostly post marketing hype by the manufacturer and its efficacy has been called into question by the Cochrane Review. It is also important to note this study compared a 5 day course of remdesivir to a 10 day course. It doesn't prove remdesivir works compared to a placebo. It just indicates a 5 and 10 day course of remdesivir have the same outcome. Their results haven't even been submitted for peer review, yet. So it isn't a double blind study. It isn't placebo controlled. It isn't peer reviewed. This doesn't come close to the standards Fauci or Birx would approve of. And this is from the manufacturer: https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/4/gilead-announces-results-from-phase-3-trial-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-in-patients-with-severe-covid-19 Quote:Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19. This study sought to determine whether a shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir would achieve similar efficacy results as the 10-day treatment regimen Their results showed time to recovery in 50% of patients was 10 days if they took 5 days of remdesivir and 11 days if they took 10 days of redesivir. Another way you can interpret that result; the longer you take remdesivir, the longer it takes for you to recover. Or if you take their drug for a shorter period of time you get better quicker which is counter-intuitive. But, that in no way proves it is effective. RE: Coronavirus - Goalpost - 04-29-2020 So I respect your input Breech. I do differ in the vested interest argument. Most if not all financial analysts are in general agreement that the drug companies will not reap much financial reward for this. In fact Gilead re-opened modestly but the market in general went up much more on the news. And I know you didn't say it as such, but many have vilified drug companies in the past but the reality in this case is the expected profits of a treatment or vaccine compared to the dollars spent in research is but a sliver to their every day business. The cure isn't expected to be much financial rewards to drug companies. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 12:02 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So I respect your input Breech. I do differ in the vested interest argument. Most if not all financial analysts are in general agreement that the drug companies will not reap much financial reward for this. In fact Gilead re-opened modestly but the market in general went up much more on the news. And I know you didn't say it as such, but many have vilified drug companies in the past but the reality in this case is the expected profits of a treatment or vaccine compared to the dollars spent in research is but a sliver to their every day business. The cure isn't expected to be much financial rewards to drug companies. The US government has spent over a billion dollars to stockpile Tamiflu. That's sales to just one customer. For a drug of questionable efficacy. There are billions of dollars at stake for the first company able to market a treatment. Just the rumor of a treatment can affect their stock favorably. That press release by the manufacturer is nothing but marketing hype. It essentially indicates taking Tic Tacs for 5 days has the same out come as taking Tic Tacs for 10 days. Because their study doesn't test their drug against placebo . . . and the manufacturer knows that, but it didn't stop them from making that press release touting a study with highly questionable results. Why? [video=youtube][/video] RE: Coronavirus - fredtoast - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 12:02 PM)Goalpost Wrote: in this case is the expected profits of a treatment or vaccine compared to the dollars spent in research is but a sliver to their every day business. The cure isn't expected to be much financial rewards to drug companies. What the ****? What is this based on? Could you show me some actual numbers? Finding a vaccine/cure for this virus will be a goldmine. If not then no drug company would ever make any money from anything. RE: Coronavirus - BmorePat87 - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 10:35 AM)GMDino Wrote: This is the kind of dumb stuff that we have to deal with. Bill Gates has joined the cast as one of the boogeymen of the Right. As a proponent of vaccinations (he has done absolutely incredible work in India), he has been a boogeyman for anti-vaxxer/conspiracy idiots for years. Anti-vaxxers and Covid Conspiracists have now overlapped. One of the impacts of the GOP validating Trump and his constant lying is that they have allowed fringe conspiracists to move into the mainstream of conservative politics. Diamond and Silk are nobodies who gained internet fame because they're black women supporting Trump. Somehow that turned into a show on Fox Nation that only just got shut down because Fox realized how dangerous two unqualified idiots spreading conspiracy theories can be when it impacts our health in a pandemic. And yet prior to that, racist Steve King invited them to testify to Congress about being "censored" on Facebook for spreading conspiracies and they were paid by the Trump campaign lol... now Trump is publicly complaining about them being removed from Fox. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 02:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What the ****? http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/remember-tamiflu-big-profits-for-roche-but-little-help-for-users-140411?news=852893 Quote:Governments spent heavily on Tamiflu starting last decade when public health officials warned of deadly influenzas. But the billion-dollar investment produced only healthy outcomes for the balance sheets of the drug’s manufacturer, Roche. You can find more info at the Cochrane Review and the BMJ on Tamiflu if you're interested. (I recommend the Cochrane Review.) But, this new anti-viral is in the same class of drugs which historically has shown very little benefit, but huge rewards for the manufacturers. Tamiflu is generic now which is why the big pharma companies have these new drugs under investigation. But, so far they have all proved more hype than help. If you read the Cochrane review, there is no evidence to support the manufacturer's claims for the most important indications to prescribe these medicines and it might help you feel better maybe 8 hours sooner than a placebo. It's more likely to cause side effects than to prevent flu complications or reduce hospitalizations. RE: Coronavirus - Goalpost - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 02:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What the ****? It would seem hard to believe but the analysts who live and breathe these companies via their earnings per share, revenues, pe's, dividends, gross margins, etc etc have been relatively consistent for months. They are my source thru observation of watching them on the business networks...mainly CNBC. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 03:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Bill Gates has joined the cast as one of the boogeymen of the Right. As a proponent of vaccinations (he has done absolutely incredible work in India), he has been a boogeyman for anti-vaxxer/conspiracy idiots for years. Anti-vaxxers and Covid Conspiracists have now overlapped. My argument, that I didn't make because why waste time, is that they are RIGHT...Bill Gates is NOT a doctor. He's just a BILLIONAIRE who is giving money to the doctors and scientists doing the research. And you're right about the "fringe" members.
Why this kind of propaganda is believed by people who claim to be pro life will always confound me. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 12:02 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So I respect your input Breech. I do differ in the vested interest argument. Most if not all financial analysts are in general agreement that the drug companies will not reap much financial reward for this. In fact Gilead re-opened modestly but the market in general went up much more on the news. And I know you didn't say it as such, but many have vilified drug companies in the past but the reality in this case is the expected profits of a treatment or vaccine compared to the dollars spent in research is but a sliver to their every day business. The cure isn't expected to be much financial rewards to drug companies. What is a drug company’s everyday business? Selling drugs. So drug companies might not be a good investment for investors, but new patents without competitors during a pandemic can equal billions in sales for the company first to the market. RE: Coronavirus - samhain - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 10:35 AM)GMDino Wrote: This is the kind of dumb stuff that we have to deal with. It's all a really strange groupthink. The scariest part is that I'm friends with people I'd otherwise consider fairly sharp that are really into this stuff. I had one start a convo about chemtrails with me about 3 years back. I went along and laughed, thinking he was being sarcastic, but after getting to know him better on a weeklong business trip, I surmised that he was dead effing serious. He's one of the ones pushing the Gates theories on my feed. I guess you can choose to believe what you like. Questioning authority is a terrific thing to do. Unfortunately, the bar for grounds to question actual authority, like medical scientific authority has gotten pretty low lately. It used to be about having some evidence or research to back something up. Now it's just about not liking what someone's research seems to bear out, and making up a secret squirrel story about intelligence agents with Q clearance discreetly and vaguely leaking out the truth of the world we never knew, lol. People are incredibly easy to mislead. It would be a lot of fun to start one of these theories just to see who would buy in and what exactly you could make them do to embarrass themselves. Hmmmmmm. RE: Coronavirus - samhain - 04-29-2020 (04-29-2020, 04:39 PM)GMDino Wrote: My argument, that I didn't make because why waste time, is that they are RIGHT...Bill Gates is NOT a doctor. He's just a BILLIONAIRE who is giving money to the doctors and scientists doing the research. Yeah, it's hard to imagine that these are the same people that criticized the idea of universal health care due to alleged "death panels" and the idea of deciding not to treat elderly patients with likely poor survival outcomes. It seemed to really appal them back then, but now they're all for sacrificing people in their late years because they're old and, you know, gonna die soon anyhow. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 04-29-2020 I don't think I expected this take. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/coronavirus-stay-at-home-protests-dishonor-veterans-column/3038871001/?fbclid=IwAR26BMV4xZ_kxucqhKNKFKyfyCfBJwsm9DsCu_zL6SVDl195YzyyD_z1AK4 Quote:Tom Ridge: Selfish protests against stay-at-home orders dishonor America's veterans RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-30-2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/internal-documents-reveal-team-trumps-chloroquine-master-plan/amp This president and his administration don’t give a flying **** about any of us. RE: Coronavirus - BmorePat87 - 04-30-2020 (04-30-2020, 02:38 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/internal-documents-reveal-team-trumps-chloroquine-master-plan/amp Just trying to get a “win”. “Hey, we just released millions of pills!” RE: Coronavirus - Dill - 04-30-2020 (04-29-2020, 03:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Bill Gates has joined the cast as one of the boogeymen of the Right. As a proponent of vaccinations (he has done absolutely incredible work in India), he has been a boogeyman for anti-vaxxer/conspiracy idiots for years. Anti-vaxxers and Covid Conspiracists have now overlapped. I think Fox was more worried about legal liability . . . Fox's firing of Diamond & Silk isn't the problem. Fox's hiring of them is. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/diamond-silk-fox-news-donald-trump/index.html "Over the last few weeks, the duo has advanced all sorts of misinformation and conspiracy theories about the coronavirus. They've questioned the death toll. They've questioned whether the virus is being 'deliberately spread.' They've suggested the 'Deep State' is working 'behind the scenes' and that it is 'engineered.' RE: Coronavirus - Goalpost - 04-30-2020 (04-29-2020, 04:57 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What is a drug company’s everyday business? Selling drugs. So drug companies might not be a good investment for investors, but new patents without competitors during a pandemic can equal billions in sales for the company first to the market. Gilead did 22 billion in sales last year. One analyst at Bank of America estimated the drug has a potential of 2.5 billion which seems like a lot but that is roughly a shade more than 10 percent of Gilead's total business. Gilead was priced yesterday at around 80 dollars per share and went up roughly 8 dollars in early market trading before it was halted. About 10 percent...hmmm. It then settled down after it was reopened and ended the day up roughly 5 percent. By the way, Gilead's 22 billion in yearly sales places it around 10th in the drug industry. As far as investing, I don't have the play money, but this industry has some mixed messages due to the political climate. I would probably invest in medical devices like Medtronic, Stryker, or robotics like Intuitive Surgical. But with the delay in elective surgeries, some of these companies more likely hurt at the moment from it. I also like the 'wearables'...self monitoring and just download the info to your doctor |