(12-13-2017, 11:52 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: First, thank you for correcting the pedophilia comments.  As I have repeatedly demonstrated words mean something, use them correctly.  So again, thank you.

(12-13-2017, 11:52 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Moore losing is actually better for the GOP long term.  It shows that Trump is an outlier, extreme candidates are not a good bet outside of him and this result could not demonstrate that more definitively.  We don't need more extreme candidates from either party, so the American public wins here.  There's zero chance Jones wins reelection..

(12-13-2017, 11:52 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quick question, does Jones win the remainder of Session's term or does his election win him a full six year term?

(12-13-2017, 12:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: Jones will be up for reelection in 2018.  And I agree he won't beat a "normal" GOP candidate.

(12-13-2017, 08:53 AM)Benton Wrote: 50% of the presidents since 1992 would disagree.

(12-13-2017, 12:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I had heard 2020. I will have to check on that.

Edit: The election cycle is based on the seat's term, which is up as of 03 January 2021. So it looks like the reelection is 2020.

(12-13-2017, 12:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You're welcome. It's something that has been bugging me this entire time, and while my voice in the Twitterverse will just fade away into the darkness, at least on here it will be seen.

Quote:I agree completely on this section. Jones will lose when he is up for reelection and it is better for the GOP long term, bu tit is also good for the Democrats in the short and long term. Short term, it helps fight the GOP and Trump agendas as well as helps with momentum. Odds are now at 48% they retake the Senate. Long term, we are seeing a rise of blue candidates in traditionally red areas. I put this in long term because even though it is a short term win, it can be a long term bonus if we keep it up. Even if they don't win, getting into the habit of contesting elections and nurturing candidates in places often overlooked it a good, long term strategy. I doubt the DNC will keep it up, though, because they are terrible at long term planning. Holistically, Democrats are terrible at politics.

Quote:The seat is up for reelection in 2020.

(12-13-2017, 12:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: I agree that the GOP will downplay all of this...Trump already is saying it's not his fault, he wanted the other guy...but the RNC backed him fully.  They have to own that much.

Quote:Jones will be up for reelection in 2020.  And I agree he won't beat a "normal" GOP candidate.

Edit to correct the reelection date.

(12-13-2017, 11:52 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: First, thank you for correcting the pedophilia comments.  As I have repeatedly demonstrated words mean something, use them correctly.  So again, thank you.

(12-13-2017, 12:28 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'll say it right now, there is zero chance the Dems take the Senate in 2018.  They're defending eight seats they will almost certainly lose.  In fact, I think the Jones victory makes the odds better for the GOP to expand their Senate lead.  There will be no impetus for far right or otherwise extreme candidates, the type that enabled McCaskill and Manchin to hold on by their fingernails.  I'd bet the GOP expands their lead by about five to six seats.  Of course, there are many variable in between now and then, but I think that's the most likely outcome.

(12-13-2017, 12:34 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Side note, I've given up on trying to convince people that rewarding bad behavior is not negative reinforcement, but the majority rules.

(12-13-2017, 01:36 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I wonder what the percentage of family value, morality based Christians who voted for this dude was.

(12-13-2017, 01:36 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I wonder what the percentage of family value, morality based Christians who voted for this dude was.

(12-13-2017, 11:41 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: 1. I think Moore is a piece of shit, for many reasons. Even taking his ephebophilia (not pedophilia, stop calling it that)

(12-13-2017, 02:15 PM)hollodero Wrote: Duly noted. It's just, hardly anyone would know what is meant when using that term.

(12-13-2017, 02:44 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I agree, but even if you don't know the term you can stop using pedophilia incorrectly. Words and phrases have meaning, we should use them appropriately.

(12-13-2017, 02:15 PM)hollodero Wrote: Duly noted. It's just, hardly anyone would know what is meant when using that term.

(12-13-2017, 01:42 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This actually made me think about a conversation I listened to recently regarding the Christian Right and why they vote in a way that we perceive to be against their values. I may have to start a thread on that, because it is an interesting topic that I think is important to learn about.

(12-13-2017, 03:06 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: You should.  I almost typed out a longer response about it, but I realize that it'd be derailing the thread.

I'd like to see what people have to say about it.

(12-13-2017, 12:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You're welcome. It's something that has been bugging me this entire time, and while my voice in the Twitterverse will just fade away into the darkness, at least on here it will be seen.


I agree completely on this section. Jones will lose when he is up for reelection and it is better for the GOP long term, bu tit is also good for the Democrats in the short and long term. Short term, it helps fight the GOP and Trump agendas as well as helps with momentum. Odds are now at 48% they retake the Senate. Long term, we are seeing a rise of blue candidates in traditionally red areas. I put this in long term because even though it is a short term win, it can be a long term bonus if we keep it up. Even if they don't win, getting into the habit of contesting elections and nurturing candidates in places often overlooked it a good, long term strategy. I doubt the DNC will keep it up, though, because they are terrible at long term planning. Holistically, Democrats are terrible at politics.


The seat is up for reelection in 2020.

(12-13-2017, 05:49 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Just as a curiosity, where does the 48% chance come from? While I wouldn't go as far as to say that there is no chance they are able to retake the Senate, 48 still seems high.

I'd genuinely like to read some analysis on the chances, if you'd have it.

Quote:Roy Moore filed an election complaint late Wednesday, claiming voter fraud altered the outcome of Alabama’s Senate race, paving the way for Democrat Doug Jones’ victory.


The Moore campaign said in a statement that the purpose of the complaint is to delay the certification of the election results until “a thorough investigation of potential election fraud, that improperly altered the outcome of this election, is conducted.”


The request came just a day before the State Canvassing Board is scheduled to meet and certify the results of the election.


“This is not a Republican or Democrat issue as election integrity should matter to everyone,” Moore said. “We call on Secretary of State Merrill to delay certification until there is a thorough investigation of what three independent election experts agree took place: election fraud sufficient to overturn the outcome of the election.”


The statement cites three Election Integrity experts saying that “with a reasonable degree of statistical and mathematical certainty … election fraud occurred” and noted the irregularities in 20 precincts alone could reverse the results of the election.


According to the results from earlier this month, the Republican candidate lost the election to Jones by a margin of 21,000 votes. Jones became the first Democrat in over two decades to win a U.S. Senate seat in Alabama, the deep-red state that Trump carried by about 28 points during the 2016 presidential election.

The election complaint also includes an affidavit from Moore saying that he underwent a polygraph test and confirmed that the allegations of sexual misconduct with underage girls are “completely false.”


Moore’s reluctance to concede the election prompted an intervention by President Donald Trump, who backed the Republican candidate, urging him to concede the election.



"I think he should (concede)," Trump said earlier this month. "I want to support the person running. We need the seat. We'd like to have the seat."