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RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - jj22 - 06-15-2018 A symbolic bow with an Ally isn’t a military salute saved for the highest respect. . I didn’t say anything when Trump bowed and didn’t when Obama did. That is common courtesy. A military salute to the general of a army we are still technically at war with is completely different and anyone arguing it’s the same lacks credibility. And saying Obama ignored our military salutes is just more fake news Trump supporters must be pushing. Either way forgive me if I don’t let people fine with the POTUS saluting the General of an army we are at war with determine what is patriotic or not. America first? More like Trump first. Even if that means to hell with America. I’m not going to keep this up tho. There’s not much you can say to me as an American to get me to agree with saluting an enemy of this great nation. But you guys can feel free to do so. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - PhilHos - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 03:50 PM)jj22 Wrote: A symbolic bow with an Ally isn’t a military salute saved for the highest respect. And this is where you lose all credibility. A bow is "symbolic" in showing that the person you are bowing to you consider to be greater than yourself. In other words, bowing to someone is showing a greater respect to that person than saluting them. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Dill - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 02:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And it sound kind of silly to claim Democrats should not hurl aggressive insults at the same time you brag that Trump's campaign strategy was a success. Yes. Another unnoticed inconsistency. Like complaints critics are disrespecting the office when they call Trump on his conspiracy theories and petty insults, separating Trump from accountability. (06-15-2018, 01:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you don't think folks are getting turned off of the Left because of the constant rancor, then by all means keep it up. What sort of person IS NOT turned off by Trump's vulgar behavior, lies and distortions, and policy missteps, but IS turned off by CRITICISM of Trump's vulgarity, lies and ignorance of how the government works? The only serious answer to that question is--only people who are already comfortable with Trump, who accept his behavior even when they claim they don't like it, or who actually identify with it. He's still better than "crooked" Hillary, a "leftist." Attacks on Trump's behavior they take personally as an attack on their judgment and standards. Criticism of bad behavior only "turns off" people when they identify with the behavior or don't think it is that bad. No one who thinks gang violence is bad says "stop criticizing gangs or you will turn people off on the criminal justice system." No one who really thinks sexual harassment is bad says "If people don't stop complaining about sexual harassment then I am going to start harassing women." NO ONE DOES THAT. There is no significant percentage of "independent" voters who fall into this supposed category of "turned off by the left." In the coming elections, the only people who will be voting are 1) people who actually think Trump's behavior is bad, in which case they vote against him; and 2) people find his behavior acceptable or even good, in which case they will complain about Trump critics all the way to the voting booth, where they will vote for Trump no matter what. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - NATI BENGALS - 06-15-2018 So the nuclear threat is gone but the cyber threat is very real? RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Bengalzona - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 04:26 PM)PhilHos Wrote: And this is where you lose all credibility. A bow is "symbolic" in showing that the person you are bowing to you consider to be greater than yourself. In other words, bowing to someone is showing a greater respect to that person than saluting them. In our military, the junior ranking members are expected to initiate salutes to superior ranking members. The higher ranking member is generally expected to return the salute. But salutes are only exchanged between enlisted members and officers and officers and other officers, not between enlisted members. Also, our military members generally don't salute civilians. The one big exception to that rule is the POTUS, who is the CiC of the armed forces. I'm told that the clip didn't tell the whole story of the situation. That the NK officer started to salute Trump, then had second thoughts and held out his hand to shake. Trump, presumably caught off guard, returned the initial half-salute. That narrative would kind of make sense, as I'm sure that Trump has probably been having to return a lot of salutes during the past year or so. Still, the clip that was shown was from the NK media and was used for propaganda purposes (as would be expected from them). It is still a faux pas, IMO, from a POTUS who tends to make a lot of them... such as this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-says-he-wants-my-people-to-sit-at-attention-for-him-like-people-do-for-kim-jong-un/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=53057638 RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - bfine32 - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 05:22 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Still, the clip that was shown was from the NK media and was used for propaganda purposes (as would be expected from them). It is still a faux pas, IMO, from a POTUS who tends to make a lot of them... such as this: If Kim needs any other ammunition for his propaganda purposes all he need do is grant his citizenry access the The Bengal Board PnR subforum. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Dill - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 05:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If Kim needs any other ammunition for his propaganda purposes all he need do is grant his citizenry access the The Bengal Board PnR subforum. Then will the NK citizenry see the kind of respect for our "dear leader" that theirs demands? Or will they see "traitors"? My guess is a little of both. ![]() RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - BmorePat87 - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 01:59 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I'm not sure if this is true, but considering Obama RARELY saluted American military members, it wouldn't surprise me if he NEVER saluted foreign military members. President's aren't required to salute. Reagan popularized the practice. Quote:On a more serious note, considering how outraged you are at what Trump did, I have to assume you were even MORE livid after Obama bowed - BOWED - to a Saudi king! I think everyone from Clinton to Trump has and I think that it's out of line. Americans don't bow to leaders. Obama did have a habit of using a traditional asian bow with most asian dignitaries, which is different and equivalent to a handshake/greeting, but the Emperor bow was too much. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - BmorePat87 - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 05:50 PM)Dill Wrote: Then will the NK citizenry see the kind of respect for our "dear leader" that theirs demands? They'd see us casually engaging in behavior that would get them executed. Not sure how that works in Kim's favor, though. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Bengalzona - 06-15-2018 (06-15-2018, 05:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If Kim needs any other ammunition for his propaganda purposes all he need do is grant his citizenry access the The Bengal Board PnR subforum. Indeed. We can show them things that Dear Leader never will. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Dill - 06-16-2018 (06-15-2018, 09:58 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Indeed. We can show them things that Dear Leader never will. I'm pretty sure Kim would not want his people, whom he loves, see Americans "attack" their leader, his new friend. Bfine's comment piques my interest in a comparison of the NK and liberal Western mediascapes. "Fake news" or state news? Reading this forum would likely reinforce Kim's understanding of how important the latter is in maintaining social control and dictatorial freedom of action. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - jj22 - 07-09-2018 As Kim proves what we all knew (Trump was being played for a fool as he Saluted the enemy General, he gave up so much, and turned on our Ally in South Korea for a handshake). Trump digs in. He doesn't trust anyone but Putin and Kim. Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump I have confidence that Kim Jong Un will honor the contract we signed &, even more importantly, our handshake. We agreed to the denuclearization of North Korea. China, on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on Chinese Trade-Hope Not! "I have confidence in Kim Jong Un", said no sane person ever. Sad. It really is. I don't are if you do support him. The POTUS getting so obviously played is an embarrassment to this nation. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - michaelsean - 07-09-2018 (06-15-2018, 06:44 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: President's aren't required to salute. Reagan popularized the practice. C'mon teach. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - BmorePat87 - 07-09-2018 (07-09-2018, 01:02 PM)michaelsean Wrote: C'mon teach. damn! RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - jj22 - 08-28-2018 Soooo about this agreement. We know Trump supporters and the Fake News Media will cover for Trump (by not holding him accountable for his "we are safe and can sleep now" "The North is no longer a Nuclear threat" declaration) the way they never would any other POTUS. But as reports circulate about how Trump was played by Kim ("schooled, like no other American President" I believe I read)who is as active as ever with their Nuclear program, will there be any backlash or is it a case of "we all knew Trump was lying anyway". Rereading this thread and it looks as though folks were conned again. But it's not as if they weren't warned. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Nately120 - 08-28-2018 This is just Trump Vodka all over again. Damn it! RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - ballsofsteel - 08-28-2018 Is Trump still in the running for the Noble Peace Prize? RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Dill - 08-28-2018 (08-28-2018, 09:45 AM)jj22 Wrote: Soooo about this agreement. We know Trump supporters and the Fake News Media will cover for Trump (by not holding him accountable for his "we are safe and can sleep now" "The North is no longer a Nuclear threat" declaration) the way they never would any other POTUS. But as reports circulate about how Trump was played by Kim ("schooled, like no other American President" I believe I read)who is as active as ever with their Nuclear program, will there be any backlash or is it a case of "we all knew Trump was lying anyway". What are you talking about? We have gone three months without war with NK. Obama cannot take credit for that! RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - Vas Deferens - 08-28-2018 'even more importantly, our handshake' what a joke. RE: Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document - GMDino - 09-11-2018 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-still-making-nukes-trump-admin-now-taking-much-n907651 tl;dr NK has not dismantled its nukes and is still manufacturing them. Quote:North Korea is still making nukes, and the Trump admin is taking a harder line |