(07-26-2021, 09:30 AM)Sled21 Wrote: The higher percentage of young people hospitalized is a skewed number. It's probably the same number it has always been, but more and more older people took the vaccine and are not hospitalized, so the percentages are higher. The Bucs are 16-0 headed for the 20-0 Brady says he wants to go this season, and your unvaccinated self brings covid into the locker room and cause a forfeit? Would you want to be that guy? I'm just glad the Bengals are one of the teams with over 85% of players vaccinated.

(07-26-2021, 09:40 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: No, Ern, I don't think a vaccine for humans will eradicate viruses in animals that don't even affect humans.  In general, if viruses in animals don't cause disease in humans we just leave those alone.

But, what I do think the Covid 19 vaccine will do for humans is reduce the number of cases, hospitalizations, complications, and deaths in humans from Covid 19.  Much in the same way the rabies vaccine reduces deaths in humans, but doesn't eradicate the rabies virus in animals that don't get the rabies vaccine designed for humans.

Please pass this along to whomever provided you with that misinformation which serves as the basis for a false equivalency between colds and Covid 19.

(07-26-2021, 09:12 AM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

(07-26-2021, 09:30 AM)Sled21 Wrote: The higher percentage of young people hospitalized is a skewed number. It's probably the same number it has always been, but more and more older people took the vaccine and are not hospitalized, so the percentages are higher. The Bucs are 16-0 headed for the 20-0 Brady says he wants to go this season, and your unvaccinated self brings covid into the locker room and cause a forfeit? Would you want to be that guy? I'm just glad the Bengals are one of the teams with over 85% of players vaccinated.

(07-22-2021, 07:53 PM)jason Wrote: You're wasting your breath... Everyone is their own expert these days, and there's no use trying to reason with someone so dug in. It's best to let the experts whine about their rights and freedoms and whatever else they're babbling about... I personally stopped paying attention to them long ago.

I don't think the NFL cares about safety as much as they care about money, and they're not going to lose money over games bring cancelled because of a completely avoidable outbreak

(07-26-2021, 11:08 AM)rupe Wrote: Completely avoidable outbreak...lol.
The vaccine that still makes you contagious and still has you get the virus.  Look at all the politicians who have got it after the vaccine.  Look at the Olympians who tested positive after being vaccinated.  Now these are the people that we know only because they are in the spotlight.  The vaccine is useless.
  

(07-26-2021, 11:12 AM)AussieBengal Wrote: Something that vastly reduces your chance of serious illness, hospitilaisation, ventilation and death is not useless.

(07-26-2021, 11:08 AM)rupe Wrote: Completely avoidable outbreak...lol.
The vaccine that still makes you contagious and still has you get the virus.  Look at all the politicians who have got it after the vaccine.  Look at the Olympians who tested positive after being vaccinated.  Now these are the people that we know only because they are in the spotlight.  The vaccine is useless.
  

(07-25-2021, 12:14 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Hospitals get paid for services rendered.  Not deaths.

(07-26-2021, 11:38 AM)jfkbengals Wrote: Far from useless.  Vaccination does not equal immunity.  What it does, is exponentially reduce your chance of both infection and severity.  But I haven't seen a single report of those vaccinated athletes or politicians being rushed to the hospital because of their conditions, and that is making the assumption that they are in fact infected.  This last statement is predicated on the fact that the tests only confirm presence of virus DNA, not the viability of the viral particles picked up by the test.  In other words, they don't tell you if the particles are live or dead.  I myself am a fully vaccinated Covid survivor, and I had to have an exploratory surgery postponed at the start of the summer because I tested positive for Covid.  It did not mean I had an infection, only that I had particles present in my nasal cavity.  But per the policy of the clinic, it still required a 4 week postponement.  I was able to do nasal irrigation that evening and another PCR test the following day, which came back negative.  This proved that I was not infected, as I would have continued to accumulate particles in my nasal cavities overnight and into the following day had that been the case.

(07-26-2021, 09:37 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Plus, it's not like they get penalized just for not getting vaccinated. They have to test positive and have enough other players test positive that they cannot field a team.

Mike Brown said the Bengals are over 90% vaccinated and the coaches are entirely vaccinated.

— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) July 26, 2021

(07-26-2021, 01:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well as to a funny point.

i loved when Dak point to HIPPA when he chose not to share his vaccination status.

(07-26-2021, 11:08 AM)rupe Wrote: Completely avoidable outbreak...lol.
The vaccine that still makes you contagious and still has you get the virus.  Look at all the politicians who have got it after the vaccine.  Look at the Olympians who tested positive after being vaccinated.  Now these are the people that we know only because they are in the spotlight.  The vaccine is useless.
  

(07-26-2021, 10:23 AM)Big_Ern Wrote: You just made my original point. I said they won't eradicate covid-19 like they don't for the flu or colds. Not sure why you had to jump in

(07-26-2021, 11:08 AM)rupe Wrote: Completely avoidable outbreak...lol.
The vaccine that still makes you contagious and still has you get the virus.  Look at all the politicians who have got it after the vaccine.  Look at the Olympians who tested positive after being vaccinated.  Now these are the people that we know only because they are in the spotlight.  The vaccine is useless.
  

(07-26-2021, 09:17 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Maybe.  Last season was covid crazy with little to no fans and no preseason and all sorts of wacky variables and it still ended up being Tom Brady vs another elite QB team in the super bowl.  

I just don't see things being all that insane this year, even if some fake W's are handed out.  I'll believe it when I see it. 

(07-26-2021, 09:32 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I still remember that awful roughing the passer penalty against Justin Smith hitting Bruce Gradkowski costing the Bengals the game.  The catch rule probably cost more teams more games than this rule will.  The difference is the players are in control of this.  If they don't want this rule to affect to the schedule or their record then comply with the rule or be penalized just like any other rule of the game.

(07-26-2021, 02:57 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: You original point was we will never have herd immunity to Covid 19 because we don't have herd immunity to colds or flu.  You changed tack to eradication after it was explained you're comparison was apples to oranges.

There are over 200 different viruses that cause colds in humans and they don't kill 600K Americans in a year.  Since adults typically get 2-3 colds per year it would take over 200 colds and close to 100 years for the average adult to develop acquired immunity through infection to all those viruses. Or they would need to get over 200 different vaccines for the different viruses that cause colds.  Because of mutations, by they time you did get immunity to all those viruses at least one virus would have probably mutated decreasing your immunity or rendering it ineffective.

Versus hundreds of coronaviruses that mostly affect animals.  There are only seven coronaviruses that cause disease in humans. Four cause mild to moderate cold like symptoms.  Three cause mild to life threatening infections; SARS, MERS, and Covid 19. The SARS virus disappeared in 2004. MERS occasionally causes sporadic outbreaks.  So were talking about a specific vaccine for a specific virus that has killed 600K Americans in a year. We can achieve herd immunity against one virus that causes one infectious disease in humans if people are compliant with the current medical recommendations.

Throughout the course of human history, we have only "eradicated" two viruses through vaccination programs; smallpox in humans and rinderpest in cattle.  And yet we still recommend vaccinations because they reduce morbidity and mortality in humans even though we know vaccinations in humans won't eradicate viruses in the animal kingdom that currently don't cause disease in humans. I never claimed we would eradicate all coronaviruses.

As they say in the military, attention to detail.

(07-26-2021, 03:57 PM)Big_Ern Wrote: I stand by my point that we will never eradicate or have herd immunity to this new mutating seasonal disease