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Impeachment - GMDino - 05-25-2017 Obama's, that is. Thought it would be fun to see what the GOP wanted to impeach President Obama for over the last eight years. These are in no particular order. Just from the first couple pages of a simple Google search. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/20/oklahoma-republicans-want-to-impeach-obama-over-transgender-bathroom-rights-even-though-its-futile/?utm_term=.37c07ab29107 Quote:No, states can't actually impeach U.S. presidents. But Oklahoma Republican lawmakers are urging Congress to take up their cause. Reuters reports the Republican-denominated state legislature filed a measure Thursday calling for Obama's impeachment over the administration's recent recommendations that public schools accommodate transgender students in bathrooms. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-back-impeachment-jail-time-obama Quote:GOP back to ‘impeachment,’ ‘jail time’ for Obama http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/archive/Impeach_Obama_Groups_Already_Forming.html Quote:[/url]President-elect Barack Obama won't be inaugurated for another ten weeks, but groups are already forming on the Internet to [url=http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081105214913.k5rna1c2&show_article=1]call for his impeachment. https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/03/five-years-of-conservatives-calling-for-obamas/199555 Quote:Five Years Of Conservatives Calling For Obama's Impeachment https://thinkprogress.org/top-10-reasons-republicans-want-to-impeach-president-obama-b72e97741ba0 Quote:[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]For more than two years, Republicans in Congress have wanted to impeach President Obama. Some more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Barack_Obama Good times...good times. RE: Impeachment - SunsetBengal - 05-25-2017 So, are we to draw the conclusion that calls for impeachment happen all the time, for unfounded reasons, and they typically pass without incident? RE: Impeachment - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-25-2017 Every blizzard starts with a single snowflake. RE: Impeachment - xxlt - 05-25-2017 Well, the President does swear an oath to defend the Bible against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. (And the good ones through in *****, Moose Lambs, and gawdless communists!) RE: Impeachment - GMDino - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:03 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, are we to draw the conclusion that calls for impeachment happen all the time, for unfounded reasons, and they typically pass without incident? Maybe. OR we could see that none of those are anywhere near the things being investigated against the Trump administration 4 months in. And multiple hearing were held on at least a couple of them. Kind of like the GOP was willing to look at ANYTHING Obama did ask the Trump WH to have "less drama." RE: Impeachment - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:09 AM)GMDino Wrote: Maybe. OR we could see that none of those are anywhere near the things being investigated against the Trump administration 4 months in. And multiple hearing were held on at least a couple of them. Kind of like the GOP was willing to look at ANYTHING Obama did ask the Trump WH to have "less drama." I think the word you're looking for is "hysteria." RE: Impeachment - bfine32 - 05-25-2017 Quick quiz to determine relevance: How long was Obama in Office before members of Congress started calling for Impeachment? Was there more impeachment talk in Obama's 8 years or Trump's first 100 days? RE: Impeachment - GMDino - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:59 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Quick quiz to determine relevance: Aha! Trick questions! It's not about the calls for impeachment...it's the REASONS for the calls for impeachment. Was that an attempt at "gotcha"? Edit: btw, there are REPUBLICANS talking about impeachment with Trump. Hard to wrap your mind around, I know. RE: Impeachment - GMDino - 05-25-2017 Way back in December of 2008 the odds of Obama being impeached were at 33:1 http://www.gambling911.com/politics/obama-nationalization-controversy-has-little-affect-odds-120508.html While folks were filing lawsuits saying he wasn't a citizen. RE: Impeachment - hollodero - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:03 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, are we to draw the conclusion that calls for impeachment happen all the time, for unfounded reasons, and they typically pass without incident? Well, I for myself draw the conclusion that Republicans are hypocrites. Impeach Obama over nothing, oh yeah that guy needs to be gone. But don't even think about impeaching Trump over a whole lot of grave things - or we Republicans call YOU hypocrites and hysterical and sour losers. But if you're on the republican side, you might draw a different conclusion. And, if I may, a less accurate one. RE: Impeachment - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:59 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Quick quiz to determine relevance: How do your questions about impeachment determine the relevance of calls for impeachment? RE: Impeachment - Benton - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:59 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Quick quiz to determine relevance: Roughly two years. The difference is Obama divested himself of investments and and didn't appoint people in the employ of foreign governments, both of which have drawn legitimate questions about Trump's actions and ethics. Obama made his own mistakes (none of which were clearly impeachable offenses), but didn't make them nearly as quickly. It's not as much an issue of if either had significant missteps, but a difference in how quickly they made them. RE: Impeachment - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 02:03 PM)Benton Wrote: Roughly two years. You missed bfine's point. No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. For one, just look at his critics questioning his nationality and birth certificate. RE: Impeachment - bfine32 - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 02:03 PM)Benton Wrote: Roughly two years. Or it could have been that one was a career Politician and another was an outsider enter Government Service for the first time. Dude is doing what he has done his whole life. As I've said (I quite profound you know). Everyone wants a Washington outsider until he/she starts acting like a Washington outsider. Will Trump be impeached? If I had to bet money I'd say no; however, I seldom, if ever, bet on anything outside of my control. But I will say as ugly as the Trump Presidency has already been on all sides;l we are laying ground rules for future administrations. To include scrutiny of the office, election, and cabinet. Just like the Dems probably now regret enforcing the Nuclear Option as far as confirming Presidential appointees; I fear they will regret the endless barrage of scrutiny they have employed to date. I'll type the reply to save folks time: Trump is worse than any President to date. He has not been scrutinized he's just done more bad stuff. RE: Impeachment - GMDino - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 02:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Or it could have been that one was a career Politician and another was an outsider enter Government Service for the first time. Dude is doing what he has done his whole life. I think most people recognize that just because someone is an "outsider" that does not make them a good candidate. Trump's flaws were/are many. His lack of self control, thin skin, short attention span, lack of attention to detail, small vocabulary, etc. There are plenty of "outsiders" that would make much better candidates and who would make "missteps" along the way while learning the job. Many would probably work very hard to learn from their mistakes rather than send people out to lie and say they never happened and then admit they did it anyway. Whether Trump has or will reach impeachment level incompetence is yet to be seen. But I think even members of his own (current) party would rather he just get out of the way. He's a distraction...not that they didn't know that going in. He's also a poor "leader." Good at riling up the base but not good at getting things done. He leaves that to the people under him...just as he always has. Trump is the "idea guy". And there's "nobody better" than him. Just ask him. Then he has people he trusts (usually family) to do the dirty work. That's why Kushner has a longer job list than the VP has. The scrutiny he has received has come mostly from his own words and actions. And a lot of that has been, again, due to his character flaws. Flaws that were in full display during the campaign but overlooked because "Clinton can't be trusted" and all the actual baggage that she came along with. Apologist who now want to make it that his problems are simply because he's an outsider are still fooling themselves. RE: Impeachment - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 02:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Or it could have been that one was a career Politician and another was an outsider enter Government Service for the first time. Dude is doing what he has done his whole life. That's a poor and superficial attempt to normalize Trump's behavior as the normal behavior of any Washington outsider. Yeah, because all Washington outsiders would act like Trump. Starting with the appointment of Flynn: Obama to Trump: Don't appoint Flynn. Trump appoints Flynn. Trump fires Flynn. Trump blames Obama after Obama warned Trump to His face about Flynn. Trump aides claim they thought Obama was joking. Just "normal" Washington outsiders acting like normal Washington outsiders. Quote:Will Trump be impeached? If I had to bet money I'd say no; however, I seldom, if ever, bet on anything outside of my control. But I will say as ugly as the Trump Presidency has already been on all sides;l we are laying ground rules for future administrations. To include scrutiny of the office, election, and cabinet. Just like the Dems probably now regret enforcing the Nuclear Option as far as confirming Presidential appointees; I fear they will regret the endless barrage of scrutiny they have employed to date. Is the FBI a democrat? Is the special counsel appointed by Trump's Deputy Attorney General to replace Comey a democrat? Are any of the bipartisan Congressional committees currently involved investigating something democrat? RE: Impeachment - Benton - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 02:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Or it could have been that one was a career Politician and another was an outsider enter Government Service for the first time. Dude is doing what he has done his whole life. I would say everyone wants someone who reflects their way of life. An overwhelming majority of people aren't professional politicians, so many of them voted for the guy who wasn't a politician. Him going about business as usual doesn't make that acceptable to loot, plunder and abuse public trust. Not exactly the same, but Illinois has a history of electing people with questionable ethics. They've had several lawmakers arrested in the last decade. Just being elected governor or state lawmaker doesn't give you a free pass to continue abusing the system. Trump, likewise, shouldn't get one just because he' POTUS. RE: Impeachment - bfine32 - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 03:39 PM)Benton Wrote: I would say everyone wants someone who reflects their way of life. An overwhelming majority of people aren't professional politicians, so many of them voted for the guy who wasn't a politician. Him going about business as usual doesn't make that acceptable to loot, plunder and abuse public trust. I have no idea how anyone could suggest Trump is getting a free pass. He is being scrutinized about everything: Russia Where his wife lives Where he spends his weekends Where he hosts dignitaries What he says to other Government officials behind closed doors What he tweets What size paper he puts in folders The color of his spray tan The size of his hands His grammar Thins that other Republican Officials do that have zero to do with him Things that conservative citizens do that have nothing to do with him ect..... As I have said: I just hope all those pointing to sound as well as the ridiculous are prepared to reap what they sow. I would not care (perhaps) prefer, if he were removed from office tomorrow. I just choose not to cry like a spoiled brat on a daily basis. RE: Impeachment - GMDino - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 04:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have no idea how anyone could suggest Trump is getting a free pass. He is being scrutinized about everything: That's some high gloss paint you used over the things "he is being scrutinized about." Russia - need a refresher on all the ties to Russia and how he and his administration have lied about them? Where his wife lives - Only because of the incredible amount of money being spent. Where he spends his weekends - Only because of his own hypocrisy on the topic. Where he hosts dignitaries - Only because of his own statements on how he would handle these things given his unique situation as the property owner. What he says to other Government officials behind closed doors - Again, because his admin lies for him then he admits it anyway. What he tweets - Yes, why would someone comment on something he says himself? What size paper he puts in folders - False. If there was ANY paper in the folders. Given that he STILL hasn't divested from his businesses I'd think most people would care. The color of his spray tan - No argument there. It's Orange. The size of his hands - Not since the debates, but since it bothered him so much that's just for fun. His grammar - ...and lack of vocabulary. It's a great honor to mention that. Repeatedly. Things that other Republican Officials do that have zero to do with him - Hey they just look up to him and long for the day they can kick a guys ass. Things that conservative citizens do that have nothing to do with him - Perhaps a thread on liberals and how they act would make you feel better? RE: Impeachment - Nately120 - 05-25-2017 (05-25-2017, 11:59 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Quick quiz to determine relevance: True, but the confounding variable here is that Obama was a relative unknown before becoming president (which was a strike against him), while Trump has already spent decades acting like a horse's patoot, being accused of a litany of misdeeds, and generally not being very trustworthy. Trump has built quite the empire on making sure everyone knows who he is so I don't think it's too unreasonable for people to jump to conclusions about the guy based on a mere 100 days in office when he spent 30 years or so showing us the person he is (or presents himself as). That's marketing for ya. It's like handing someone a copy of some obscure CD your friend's band made last month along with a copy of Sgt. Pepper and asking the person to listen to both as if they're equally new and unknown. I wouldn't accuse him of having a closed-mind if he admitted that the saturation of the Beatles made him confident enough to make judgement before giving both a "fair shot." Short version - Trump very intentionally made sure everyone knew the man he is long before he became president. Assuming a new office doesn't expunge your prior record, for good or ill. |