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6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - michaelsean - 06-12-2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/opinion/james-comey-and-the-predator-in-chief.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0 Quote:As I listened to James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, tell the Senate Intelligence Committee about his personal meetings and phone calls with President Trump, I was reminded of something: the experience of a woman being harassed by her powerful, predatory boss. There was precisely that sinister air of coercion, of an employee helpless to avoid unsavory contact with an employer who is trying to grab what he wants. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Benton - 06-12-2017 Sexual assault or harassment is a problem. So is comparing it to a guy who doesn't feel comfortable having a conversation with someone else. Bad opinion piece. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-12-2017 (06-12-2017, 01:55 PM)Benton Wrote: Sexual assault or harassment is a problem. So is comparing it to a guy who doesn't feel comfortable having a conversation with someone else. Exceedingly bad, agreed on both counts. The insane levels of false equivalency coming from the left at this point are rendering any dialogue on any issue meaningless. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - xxlt - 06-15-2017 I just got around to reading the article in the OP today. I found it to be well written and entirely valid. But then, I have a lot of close female friends and a lot of close friends who are sex abuse survivors. I would like to think I would have been intelligent enough to appreciate the points the author made were those things not true. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-16-2017 (06-15-2017, 08:50 PM)xxlt Wrote: I just got around to reading the article in the OP today. I found it to be well written and entirely valid. But then, I have a lot of close female friends and a lot of close friends who are sex abuse survivors. I would like to think I would have been intelligent enough to appreciate the points the author made were those things not true. Well, we can't all be so evolved and woke. As to your post, color me not surprised. Quite co-opting Mr. Comey's experiences! RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Belsnickel - 06-16-2017 (06-15-2017, 08:50 PM)xxlt Wrote: I just got around to reading the article in the OP today. I found it to be well written and entirely valid. But then, I have a lot of close female friends and a lot of close friends who are sex abuse survivors. I would like to think I would have been intelligent enough to appreciate the points the author made were those things not true. I didn't bother reading the article, but I had already heard this commentary from some people, including survivors of sexual assault. There was a lot of "let's be clear, there is no equivalency to sexual assault and what Comey went through." They just explained that the behavior discussed in the Trump/Comey dynamic, and the questions and commentary from those at the hearing, was very familiar to victims of sexual assault. Since it is more about power and domination than sex, it isn't at all surprising to them. I'm just repeating their words on this. I didn't watch the testimony and haven't read much on it, so I don't know. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - xxlt - 06-16-2017 (06-16-2017, 08:52 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I didn't bother reading the article, but I had already heard this commentary from some people, including survivors of sexual assault. There was a lot of "let's be clear, there is no equivalency to sexual assault and what Comey went through." They just explained that the behavior discussed in the Trump/Comey dynamic, and the questions and commentary from those at the hearing, was very familiar to victims of sexual assault. Since it is more about power and domination than sex, it isn't at all surprising to them. But, to your credit, you aren't mocking Comey or victims of sexual assault. You aren't minimizing the experience of either. You note that you have heard similar commentary from multiple sources, and that it isn't at all surprising to these informed sources. Thus, there is a consistency in messaging from survivors about what you rightly call a power and domination dynamic. Well done. I will leave it to others to contrast your response with the OP and others in the thread. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - michaelsean - 06-16-2017 (06-16-2017, 08:52 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I didn't bother reading the article, but I had already heard this commentary from some people, including survivors of sexual assault. There was a lot of "let's be clear, there is no equivalency to sexual assault and what Comey went through." They just explained that the behavior discussed in the Trump/Comey dynamic, and the questions and commentary from those at the hearing, was very familiar to victims of sexual assault. Since it is more about power and domination than sex, it isn't at all surprising to them. What part wasn't a boss to employee scenario? RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Belsnickel - 06-16-2017 (06-16-2017, 11:14 AM)michaelsean Wrote: What part wasn't a boss to employee scenario? I would do a poor job of describing the behaviors that they discussed. I have been trained in helping students with sexual misconduct cases, and so am familiar with the concepts, but not familiar enough to adequately describe the details that were seen as similar behaviors to that of an abuser/victim relationship, especially being not overly familiar with the testimony itself. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Matt_Crimson - 06-16-2017 Ironic that the (former) FBI Director felt "uncomfortable" talking to Trump when he led an organization that "sexually assaults" the minds of everyone it interrogates. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Dill - 06-17-2017 (06-12-2017, 04:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Exceedingly bad, agreed on both counts. The insane levels of false equivalency coming from the left at this point are rendering any dialogue on any issue meaningless. As long as we are simply reversing charges without examples, might as well call them "the alt left." RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Dill - 06-17-2017 (06-16-2017, 11:10 AM)xxlt Wrote: But, to your credit, you aren't mocking Comey or victims of sexual assault. You aren't minimizing the experience of either. You note that you have heard similar commentary from multiple sources, and that it isn't at all surprising to these informed sources. Thus, there is a consistency in messaging from survivors about what you rightly call a power and domination dynamic. Well done. I will leave it to others to contrast your response with the OP and others in the thread. Well said. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - CKwi88 - 06-17-2017 Comparable....maybe. Equivalent...no way. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - xxlt - 06-17-2017 (06-17-2017, 04:29 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Comparable....maybe. I believe Nicole Serratore (author of the Times piece being discussed) would agree. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - michaelsean - 06-17-2017 (06-17-2017, 04:29 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Comparable....maybe. It was a boss to an employee about their job. That's in no way even comparable to sexual harassment or abuse. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Belsnickel - 06-17-2017 (06-17-2017, 05:24 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It was a boss to an employee about their job. That's in no way even comparable to sexual harassment or abuse. The description of the relationship was more comparable to abuser/victim than any boss/employee relationship I have seen. RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - michaelsean - 06-17-2017 (06-17-2017, 06:51 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The description of the relationship was more comparable to abuser/victim than any boss/employee relationship I have seen. What part? When were they not talking about work? Sexual harassment /abuse by definition includes moving beyond a work relationship. When did he come across as an abuser of any sort? Was it the ominous dinner for 2? Yeah that never happens in Washington. The demand for loyalty? Again a new idea in Washington. Oh he said he would be loyally honest and hoped the President didn't misunderstand which is exactly like a woman hoping she didn't unknowingly green light a sexual advance. The best is fear of losing your job for not doing what the boss wants. Of course one involves sexual favors and one involves doing your job the way the boss says, but sure that's comparable. If all this nonsense was going through Comey's head then that's his problem and perhaps it's a good thing he is no longer in charge of the FBI. The great feminists turned a blind eye with Bill Clinton, and now wish to minimize sexual abuse by comparing it to the reactions of this giant wus. All for politics. He wishes he were stronger? We all wish he had been stronger. He's the head of the f***ing FBI. He felt squeamish when Lynch asked him to change the wording. Was she abusing him? He felt nauseous when he thought he may have altered the outcome of the election. Who was his abuser then? I mean the Democrats hated this man. They despised him, and now they want to portray him as some victim? It's hilarious. Ok I think I'm done. ![]() RE: 6'8 Comey receives equivalent to sexual harrassment - Belsnickel - 06-17-2017 (06-17-2017, 08:59 PM)michaelsean Wrote: What part? When were they not talking about work? Sexual harassment /abuse by definition includes moving beyond a work relationship. When did he come across as an abuser of any sort? Was it the ominous dinner for 2? Yeah that never happens in Washington. The demand for loyalty? Again a new idea in Washington. Oh he said he would be loyally honest and hoped the President didn't misunderstand which is exactly like a woman hoping she didn't unknowingly green light a sexual advance. The best is fear of losing your job for not doing what the boss wants. Of course one involves sexual favors and one involves doing your job the way the boss says, but sure that's comparable. If all this nonsense was going through Comey's head then that's his problem and perhaps it's a good thing he is no longer in charge of the FBI. I don't think you're understanding the comparison that is being made, but I am unsure how to explain it to be more understandable. The arguments you make are not against the arguments being made by those explaining the relationship as an abuser/victim dynamic, they aren't addressing the points they are making. I think it boils down to perspective. In this case, there is a certain perspective that is needed to see this dynamic. Not everyone will see it because of different life experiences. That's the only thing I can think of to explain why this seems so obvious to some, and not so to others, which makes it so hard to explain. |