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Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-18-2017 https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/6/15/15807986/obamacare-lies-obstruction Quote:This has become more evident each day, as the Senate plots out a secretive path toward Obamacare repeal — and top White House officials (including the president) consistently lie about what the House bill actually does. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-18-2017 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15810524/senate-ahca-explain-please Quote:We asked 8 Senate Republicans to explain what their health bill is trying to do I don't even have the heart to copy and paste their answers. All they care about is getting 51 votes. Doesn't really matter what the bill does for citizens. They know it will do more for less money...how it will happen is all magical fairy dust stuff that voters don't need to know about. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Nebuchadnezzar - 06-18-2017 It's the new normal, there is no more back and forth from House to Senate to make a great bill. The new normal is to "Pass the bill to find out what's in it". RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - SunsetBengal - 06-18-2017 I guess it's not so funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 10:00 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess it's not so funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. It's not funny because the Democrats had open sessions...and the new bill is designed just to get rid of the old one. Doesn't matter if if its good or not. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Vas Deferens - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 10:00 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess it's not so funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. Will aphorisms be a pre existing condition? RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Belsnickel - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 10:00 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess it's not so funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. Yeah, the tons of sessions on the ACA, the hundreds of GOP amendments, and the 25 days the bill was open for debate on the floor (second longest of any legislation in history in our country) was just as secretive as this. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - SunsetBengal - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 12:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, the tons of sessions on the ACA, the hundreds of GOP amendments, and the 25 days the bill was open for debate on the floor (second longest of any legislation in history in our country) was just as secretive as this. So, the ACA was open for debate for 25 days. It still has not prevented it from failing, or even remotely living up to any of the expectations that were used to sell it to the American people. One by one, providers of individual policies for purchase on the open markets are vanishing, from State to State. What is the option for those people, under the ACA? Are they back to where they were before the ACA, on Medicare? RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 10:00 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess it's not so funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. ![]() (06-18-2017, 03:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, the ACA was open for debate for 25 days. It still has not prevented it from failing, or even remotely living up to any of the expectations that were used to sell it to the American people. One by one, providers of individual policies for purchase on the open markets are vanishing, from State to State. What is the option for those people, under the ACA? Are they back to where they were before the ACA, on Medicare? ![]() RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Belsnickel - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 03:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, the ACA was open for debate for 25 days. It still has not prevented it from failing, or even remotely living up to any of the expectations that were used to sell it to the American people. One by one, providers of individual policies for purchase on the open markets are vanishing, from State to State. What is the option for those people, under the ACA? Are they back to where they were before the ACA, on Medicare? This thread is, from what I can tell from the OP, about the secrecy under which the GOP is operating on this bill, not the effectiveness of the ACA. I assume from your pivot that you are unable to defend the GOP officials on these hypocritical actions and do not intend to criticize them for activities that go beyond those that the Democrats were criticized for during the ACA process. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Vas Deferens - 06-18-2017 They are obviously discussions single payer and don't want to take questions about it from their constituents at town halls. God knows these people are always looking out for the best interests of those they 'serve'. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Dill - 06-18-2017 (06-18-2017, 03:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, the ACA was open for debate for 25 days. It still has not prevented it from failing, or even remotely living up to any of the expectations that were used to sell it to the American people. One by one, providers of individual policies for purchase on the open markets are vanishing, from State to State. What is the option for those people, under the ACA? Are they back to where they were before the ACA, on Medicare? Let's go with the pivot for a moment. 1) Apparently a lot of Americans DO think the ACA is living up to expectations--especially people formerly penalized for pre-existing conditions. Why the resistance to the Republican health care bills, the rage at the town hall meetings, etc.? 2) Why do you suppose providers are leaving some states? What are the reasons that they give? RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - BengalHawk62 - 06-19-2017 (06-18-2017, 09:40 PM)Dill Wrote: Let's go with the pivot for a moment. That is a good question. Why are they leaving? Iowa currently has one provider left in the entire state. After they leave, then what? http://www.kcci.com/article/last-statewide-insurer-left-in-iowa-will-stay-if-subsidies-remain/10042044 DES MOINES, Iowa — A spokesman for health care insurer Medica says it plans to sell insurance in Iowa next year and expects to make an announcement soon. Medica spokesman Larry Bussey confirmed Monday the company has preliminary plans to remain in Iowa but the company seeks clarity on how the Affordable Care Act exchange market in Iowa is going to function. Iowa last week applied for a federal waiver to allow federal subsidies designed to lower costs for low-income and older participants to be used to entice younger people to buy insurance in hopes of keeping Medica and perhaps attracting others back to Iowa. Medica is the only statewide insurer left in Iowa. State insurance officials feared the Minnesota-based company might also leave, causing 72,000 people to have no choice next year. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-19-2017 (06-19-2017, 03:04 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: That is a good question. Why are they leaving? Iowa currently has one provider left in the entire state. After they leave, then what? Why are they leaving? Money. If they can't make money, they aren't going to participate. Part of that is fueled by the fear the government will stop the subsidies. That is an issue even Trump has actively tried to foment by threatening to stop the subsidies. Plus there is the AHCA plan currently being ironed out in the Senate. Companies literally don't know which system will be in place next year. What happens after they leave? It will be the same as before Obamacare. The working poor can still purchase an individual or family health insurance policy on the open market which they most likely can't afford and won't purchase just like before Obamacare. From what I've read so far the AHCA doesn't control the cost of insurance and healthcare any more than the ACA did (which was one of the few valid criticisms of the ACA.) However, abolishing the pre-existing condition clause was something of benefit to most Americans even if they didn't have an Obamacare policy. Allowing states to opt out of that will hurt everyone, but the very wealthy. They're actually trying to get rid of one of the beneficial parts of Obamacare. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Benton - 06-19-2017 (06-18-2017, 08:44 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: They are obviously discussions single payer and don't want to take questions about it from their constituents at town halls. God knows these people are always looking out for the best interests of those they 'serve'. I've been covering some of the town halls for Kentucky's Congress members. They have been more pleasant than many of the other Republican held states, but Bluegrass GOP members willing to hear from constituents are still getting an earful, mostly from the elderly who feel hoodwinked (love that word). The tried and true GOP voters are upset because — from what I'm hearing — they feel like they were supposed to get spared from cuts for their loyalty; everyone else is upset because they supported the GOP candidates in the effort to get rid of evil Obamacare without realizing it meant their insurance was likely disappearing or becoming more expensive. Out of the five I've attended, I haven't heard one member of the public speak out in support of healthcare changes that have been proposed. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-19-2017 (06-19-2017, 03:58 PM)Benton Wrote: I've been covering some of the town halls for Kentucky's Congress members. They have been more pleasant than many of the other Republican held states, but Bluegrass GOP members willing to hear from constituents are still getting an earful, mostly from the elderly who feel hoodwinked (love that word). The tried and true GOP voters are upset because — from what I'm hearing — they feel like they were supposed to get spared from cuts for their loyalty; everyone else is upset because they supported the GOP candidates in the effort to get rid of evil Obamacare without realizing it meant their insurance was likely disappearing or becoming more expensive. Of course not. People who still want the ACA gone didn't understand it. They just knew Obama was behind it. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - michaelsean - 06-19-2017 (06-19-2017, 04:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: Of course not. People who still want the ACA gone didn't understand it. They just knew Obama was behind it. No they understand it, but they also understand that you can't just now rip it away and replace it with a plan drawn up in a couple of weeks. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Belsnickel - 06-19-2017 (06-19-2017, 04:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No they understand it, but they also understand that you can't just now rip it away and replace it with a plan drawn up in a couple of weeks. I think that's what has a lot of people irritated about this. For 6 years we have heard nothing but repeal, or repeal and replace. They haven't just had a couple of weeks, the GOP has had 6 years to come up with a unifying policy alternative for their party. Instead, they are acting like the dog that caught the car. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-19-2017 (06-19-2017, 04:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No they understand it, but they also understand that you can't just now rip it away and replace it with a plan drawn up in a couple of weeks. If the voters who wanted it repealed understood they wouldn't be complaining about possibly losing their coverage when it's repealed. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - michaelsean - 06-19-2017 (06-19-2017, 04:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think that's what has a lot of people irritated about this. For 6 years we have heard nothing but repeal, or repeal and replace. They haven't just had a couple of weeks, the GOP has had 6 years to come up with a unifying policy alternative for their party. Instead, they are acting like the dog that caught the car. Oh they've had more than a couple of weeks, I just think that's how long they took to write it a month ago or whatever. |