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NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Belsnickel - 06-22-2017 http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/21/the-nra-shuns-a-second-amendment-martyr Quote:Philando Castile did what you are supposed to do if you have a concealed-carry permit and get pulled over by police: He let the officer know he had a gun. Had Castile been less forthcoming, he would still be alive. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - GMDino - 06-22-2017 (06-22-2017, 12:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/21/the-nra-shuns-a-second-amendment-martyr Yes Matt but we don't know "everything" that happened and we don't have an angle inside the car showing "exactly" what happened so maybe the officer was right. ![]() RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Belsnickel - 06-22-2017 (06-22-2017, 01:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes Matt but we don't know "everything" that happened and we don't have an angle inside the car showing "exactly" what happened so maybe the officer was right. I know, only us liberal types would have any problems with this sort of...oh, wait. ![]() RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - masterpanthera_t - 06-22-2017 (06-22-2017, 01:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I know, only us liberal types would have any problems with this sort of...oh, wait. From a neither liberal or conservative type, I do have a problem with this. While the facts show that the officer lacked the comportment and composure required to perform his job well, at least I can see that this was done out of panic and not some sort of malfeasance. The NRA's silence, well, says a lot unfortunately, IMO. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - xxlt - 06-22-2017 (06-22-2017, 02:30 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: From a neither liberal or conservative type, I do have a problem with this. While the facts show that the officer lacked the comportment and composure required to perform his job well, at least I can see that this was done out of panic and not some sort of malfeasance. The NRA's silence, well, says a lot unfortunately, IMO. And his panic driven actions resulted in a death. Maybe it was a murder (maybe there was intent, maybe there was a plan to shoot the "robbery suspect" all along) but there weren't facts to support that charge. However sentence one of my post is more or less the definition of manslaughter. There were facts to support that charge, and the acquittal is ridiculous. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - masterpanthera_t - 06-22-2017 (06-22-2017, 02:40 PM)xxlt Wrote: And his panic driven actions resulted in a death. Maybe it was a murder (maybe there was intent, maybe there was a plan to shoot the "robbery suspect" all along) but there weren't facts to support that charge. However sentence one of my post is more or less the definition of manslaughter. There were facts to support that charge, and the acquittal is ridiculous. I don't know the standard for manslaughter when judging a cop, so I don't have a response for whether the acquittal is ridiculous or not from a legal standard. I do believe that a cop should be held to a higher standard so there is a deterrent for not following his training other than "well you killed a guy, and we know you're not fit to be a cop, but good luck in your next career in civilian life". The point was about the silence of NRA speaking volumes, and I will reiterate it. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Au165 - 06-22-2017 What I found weird was his reaction compared to the other officer you can see on video. When he pulls his gun our and starts shooting the other officer backs away not drawing his gun, and when he returns into frame he doesn't have his weapon drawn. If it was a threat, even if he shot the threat, his back up should have had his gun drawn when he approached the car again. The back up seems calm during the whole thing, but the officer who fires is screaming and escalating quickly. I work with police and have been told often times they always stay back and over your shoulder on purpose during a traffic stop in the event someone does pull a gun you have to turn to shoot them and they can back peddle into your blind spot while they pull their weapon. This guy was up on the window in plane view and when he perceived a weapon may be drawn he immediately went towards the person to shoot rather than retreating. Everything about this thing just seems off to me. I am no expert but it definitely appears this officer was not trained well. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - GMDino - 06-22-2017 (06-22-2017, 04:15 PM)Au165 Wrote: What I found weird was his reaction compared to the other officer you can see on video. When he pulls his gun our and starts shooting the other officer backs away not drawing his gun, and when he returns into frame he doesn't have his weapon drawn. If it was a threat, even if he shot the threat, his back up should have had his gun drawn when he approached the car again. The back up seems calm during the whole thing, but the officer who fires is screaming and escalating quickly. And he was "nervous". RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - michaelsean - 06-22-2017 I wasn't on the jury so obviously I'm not privy to all the testimony, but that sure looked ridiculous. Even though acquitted, the man should never be a police officer again. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - xxlt - 06-24-2017 (06-22-2017, 03:21 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: I don't know the standard for manslaughter when judging a cop, so I don't have a response for whether the acquittal is ridiculous or not from a legal standard. I do believe that a cop should be held to a higher standard so there is a deterrent for not following his training other than "well you killed a guy, and we know you're not fit to be a cop, but good luck in your next career in civilian life". I didn't disagree with your point. I also didn't realize the discussion was confined to the response of the NRA to the exclusion of what the thread title refers to as a "second amendment martyr" and the man who killed him. I'll try to stay more on point next time. A thousand pardons. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - GMDino - 06-24-2017 ![]() Actually it's probably proof of a well trained officer who isn't "nervous" and is trying to deescalate the situation. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-24-2017 (06-22-2017, 12:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/21/the-nra-shuns-a-second-amendment-martyr I read several firearms related site, The Truth About Guns is one of them. They are off base as often as they are correct and the comments sections make me cringe at times. That being said I think this guy nailed the Castille situation and the NRA's reactions to it. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/bruce-krafft/philando-castile-nra-isnt-black-white/ Quote:So no, the NRA has many flaws, but their lack of support for Philando Castile and his family had less to do with the fact that he was black and much more to do with not wanting to piss off their LEO and former-LEO membership or upset their cozy relationships with cop-shops across the country. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Belsnickel - 06-24-2017 (06-24-2017, 02:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I read several firearms related site, The Truth About Guns is one of them. They are off base as often as they are correct and the comments sections make me cringe at times. That being said I think this guy nailed the Castille situation and the NRA's reactions to it. I can understand that reasoning, but I'm not sure how much I buy it. The bread and butter of the NRA is the gun industry. Their money funds them, and they lobby on their behalf over that of their individual members. I don't know the motives of the NRA in this situation, but I don't know how correct that particular reasoning is, either. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Benton - 06-25-2017 (06-24-2017, 02:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I read several firearms related site, The Truth About Guns is one of them. They are off base as often as they are correct and the comments sections make me cringe at times. That being said I think this guy nailed the Castille situation and the NRA's reactions to it. So... 2nd amendment rights extend to law enforcement? I don't know what the NRA thinking is these days, but if it's that the 2nd only extends to agents of the state then what's the point of the 2nd? And why should members keep pumping money into that lobby if they're only stance is to protect law enforcement officers behaving irrationally? RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-25-2017 (06-24-2017, 02:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I read several firearms related site, The Truth About Guns is one of them. They are off base as often as they are correct and the comments sections make me cringe at times. That being said I think this guy nailed the Castille situation and the NRA's reactions to it. Who does the NRA think is going to show up on their doorstep to take away their guns if not the law enforcement officials of the fascist state they claim are going to take away their guns? RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - xxlt - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 02:54 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Who does the NRA think is going to show up on their doorstep to take away their guns if not the law enforcement officials of the fascist state they claim are going to take away their guns? ![]() ![]() ![]() I think they call them jack-booted communists but the point is well taken. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - StLucieBengal - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 12:40 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: To the bold: except they don't just take up progressive causes. They ignored this blatant freedom of speech. https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/california/2017/04/24/coulter-lawyer-berkeley-college-republicans-slams-aclu-ignoring-free-speech/amp/ RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - Belsnickel - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 01:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They ignored this blatant freedom of speech. https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/california/2017/04/24/coulter-lawyer-berkeley-college-republicans-slams-aclu-ignoring-free-speech/amp/ And I could provide dozens of examples of them supporting conservatives and/or conservative policies. But I am not going to bother getting into that back and forth with you, not worth the time. RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - GMDino - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 01:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They ignored this blatant freedom of speech. https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/california/2017/04/24/coulter-lawyer-berkeley-college-republicans-slams-aclu-ignoring-free-speech/amp/ ![]() http://thehill.com/homenews/news/330776-aclu-defends-coulter-we-must-protect-speech Quote:ACLU defends Coulter: ‘We must protect speech’ https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-statement-ann-coulter-speech Quote:ACLU STATEMENT ON ANN COULTER SPEECH ![]() RE: NRA Shuns Second Amendment Martyr - StLucieBengal - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 01:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Nice to see they came around after being called out. The ACLU are scam artists. |