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U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Belsnickel - 07-09-2017 ...have penetrated energy and nuclear company business networks. Sorry for the drama in the title, not enough room to paste the whole title. ![]() https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-officials-say-russian-government-hackers-have-penetrated-energy-and-nuclear-company-business-networks/2017/07/08/bbfde9a2-638b-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_russiacyber-855pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e86b3bda2c17 Quote:Russian government hackers were behind recent cyber-intrusions into the business systems of U.S. nuclear power and other energy companies in what appears to be an effort to assess their networks, according to U.S. government officials. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - ballsofsteel - 07-09-2017 This is a lie! Who are you going to believe US officials or Putin? RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Dill - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 07:28 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: ...have penetrated energy and nuclear company business networks. Russia is going to be our friend, Bels. I don't think we need worry that much about cyber-threats from that quarter. Anyway, did you see that erroneous tweet about the Polish first lady's handshake? How can we trust the US Press anymore? I am waiting for confirmation on Breitbart and Infowars before I buy this story. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - ballsofsteel - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 09:14 AM)Dill Wrote: Russia is going to be our friend, Bels. I don't think we need worry that much about cyber-threats from that quarter. Don't forget this bastion of accurate reporting, The Daily Wire! RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Vlad - 07-09-2017 So is this a grasping at straws thread or just a discussion on cyber attacks? If its the latter, why limit it to Russia? Top 5 countries where cyber attacks originate. https://securitytoday.com/Articles/2017/03/03/Top-5-Countries-Where-Cyber-Attacks-Originate.aspx?Page=2 Did we forget about Snowden? A bit from Wiki... In 2013, Edward Snowden, a former systems administrator for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a counterintelligence trainer at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), revealed that the United States government had hacked into Chinese mobile phone companies to collect text messages and had spied on Tsinghua University, one of China's biggest research institutions, as well as home to one of China's six major backbone networks, the China Education and Research Network (CERNET), from where internet data from millions of Chinese citizens could be mined. He said U.S. spy agencies has been watching China and Hong Kong for years.[10] According to classified documents provided by Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency (NSA) has also infiltrated the servers in the headquarters of Huawei, China's largest telecommunications company and the largest telecommunications equipment maker in the world. The plan is to exploit Huawei's technology so that when the company sold equipment to other countries—including both allies and nations that avoid buying American products—the NSA could roam through their computer and telephone networks to conduct surveillance and, if ordered by the president, offensive cyberoperations ![]() RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Dill - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 10:09 AM)Vlad Wrote: So is this a grasping at straws thread or just a discussion on cyber attacks? I don't think the topic of the thread is either "grasping at straws" or cyber attacks in general. It is about the Russian penetration of the US infrastructure, which extends the concern most of us already have about their disruption of the presidential election and national politics. In any case, the charge against Russia at the moment is not "spying," which is the issue in your Snowden excerpt, but attack and disruption. The US did not hack a mobile phone company in China to disrupt elections there, or otherwise disrupt government functions. Your example posits a false equivalence. The Russians, who may have invented "whataboutery," usually defend their various aggressions by pointing to another country, usually the US, and saying "What about when the US invaded X?" Imagine you were falsely accused of murder and at your trial your lawyer, instead of proving your innocence, asked jury and judge "What about all the other murderers in Vlad's town. Why isn't anyone accusing them!?" RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Benton - 07-09-2017 It would seem that this would go along with the "17 agencies" that seemed unlikely to some. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Belsnickel - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 10:09 AM)Vlad Wrote: So is this a grasping at straws thread or just a discussion on cyber attacks? It is a thread about the news story that Russia has engaged in these particular attacks on our energy infrastructure's business and administrative networks. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Nebuchadnezzar - 07-09-2017 I just wonder why our systems of importance such as nuclear power stations, are not on a closed system? Seriously, why are things like this connected to the Internet where bad people can get in and cause trouble? Also, why are these guys messing around with nuclear power stations? They could cause more damage and chaos by messing with Wall Street and other financial institutions. You can potentially cause a nuclear meltdown, murder 100,000 people and no one will care all that much but if you mess with money, they will drop a bomb on your house. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - TheLeonardLeap - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 01:43 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I just wonder why our systems of importance such as nuclear power stations, are not on a closed system? Breath deep and focus on the two most important words... "business systems"... of US Nuclear Power. Not operational systems. So they hacked into the system that they use when they need to place an order to restock the snack machines, or order more toilet paper, or put out a memo that Friday is the day you can wear your local sports team's shirt. Most important part of that article: Quote:The U.S. officials all stressed that the latest intrusions did not affect systems that control the production of nuclear or electric power. But you can be damn sure that there's going to be a ton of people resharing this article all over the internet, mongering up fear that the Russians are going to blow us all up with our own nuclear power plants. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Benton - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 02:23 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Breath deep and focus on the two most important words... "business systems"... of US Nuclear Power. Not operational systems. From what I understand they weren't looking into vending machine requests but trying to gauge what our nuclear community is up to based off of money trails. To sum it up in a single word, "spying." The operational networks should be less of an issue as presumably they have better security. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - xxlt - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 09:00 AM)ballsofsteel Wrote: This is a lie! Who are you going to believe US officials or Putin? ![]() RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - xxlt - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 12:13 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It is a thread about the news story that Russia has engaged in these particular attacks on our energy infrastructure's business and administrative networks. Saint Savior! I am confused. That's what I thought it was about, but I usually have significant difficulty discerning what a thread is about, or so I am often told. Is that what it is really about, or are you just obfuscating!? RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Belsnickel - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 02:41 PM)xxlt Wrote: Saint Savior! I am confused. That's what I thought it was about, but I usually have significant difficulty discerning what a thread is about, or so I am often told. Is that what it is really about, or are you just obfuscating!? Well, there may just be the hint of irony there that this was announced after the announcement from Trump about working with Russia on cyber security. But I was trying to just share the news and let people come up with that on their own. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Vlad - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 09:14 AM)Dill Wrote: Russia is going to be our friend, Bels. Was that the same thing you said when Hillary offered the Russian Foreign Minister a "reset button" symbolizing the unified resetting of U.S./Russian relations...except you weren't being sarcastic? During one of the Obama/Romney debates, were you with the crowd that scoffed at Romneys assertion that Russia would pose problems in the future...going along with the imbecile Obamas belief that the Russians were our buddies? So when Trump makes an honest attempt to mend and improve relations you want to mock? Why? ![]() RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - xxlt - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 03:03 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, there may just be the hint of irony there that this was announced after the announcement from Trump about working with Russia on cyber security. But I was trying to just share the news and let people come up with that on their own. ![]() Pretty sneaky Bels! RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - NATI BENGALS - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 02:23 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Breath deep and focus on the two most important words... "business systems"... of US Nuclear Power. Not operational systems."In December 2015, Russian hackers disrupted the electric system in Ukraine, plunging 225,000 customers into darkness. Last December, they tested a new cyberweapon in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, capable of disrupting power grids around the world." They were probably just looking for vending machine snack stocking tips when they accidently cut off power to parts of the country they were invading. I wrapped another layer of wool over my eyes when i got up today too. I dont worry about the little stuff either. The guy russia wanted to run our country got the job so it is all good. Time to move past this stuff and start sharing our cyber security secrets with our friends in Russia. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - NATI BENGALS - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 04:32 PM)Vlad Wrote: Was that the same thing you said when Hillary offered the Russian Foreign Minister a "reset button" symbolizing the unified resetting of U.S./Russian relations...except you weren't being sarcastic? Was that right after Russia helped get Obama and Hillary elected? Its like giving some guy who just doused your house in gasoline a lighter. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - Dill - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 04:32 PM)Vlad Wrote: Was that the same thing you said when Hillary offered the Russian Foreign Minister a "reset button" symbolizing the unified resetting of U.S./Russian relations...except you weren't being sarcastic? Pretty easy to explain. 1. I didn't say anything when Hillary offered a reset button, though in hindsight, given circumstances at the time, it was not a bad move. The reset was also while Medvedev was president. not Putin. 2. Romney didn't say Russia would "pose problems." He said Russia was our #1 geopolitical foe. And he said it while Obama was amidst negotiations with the Russians about arms limitations. So no, Obama is not going to say "darn right it is" and then expect cooperation. 3. Something has changed since the debate between Romney and Obama. Putin was a different animal from Medvedev. He was offered some concessions, such as removal of missiles from Poland, but he responded by becoming more aggressive. E.g. he invaded Crimea in 2014. So much for "reset." Further, under Putin Russia has become more authoritarian, with no effective free press. Meeting Russia halfway did not work Then last year, Russia made a concerted effort to interfere with US elections to insure a Trump win. Obama confronted him, kicked out a dozen plus spies, confiscated their property, and imposed sanctions on Russia. So it is not like Trump would be starting from the same place as Obama/Hillary. And there is no reason to believe Putin would regard a weaker president as anything but an opportunity rather than a "friend." Worse, Trump has rejected the conclusion of the US Intel services that Russia was behind the interference. He has publicly dissed those services and invited our "greatest geopolitical foe" into the Oval office with recording equipment and practically unsupervised. It's like Russia kicked us in the ass and our leader's response is "who knows who really kicked us in the ass?"; let's let bygones be bygones. Russia could be our friend. So Trump's "honest attempt" strikes me as a rather bad move. Now that Russia is more authoritarian and has attacked us, and never, under Putin, responded to gestures of friendship, why would we expect this to change under a president ignorant of international relations, willing to reduce sanctions on Russia without concessions, ready to withdraw the US from its position of world leadership, and unable to criticize Putin--while more than ready to criticize his own Intel services and free press? This seems more than just incompetence. RE: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers... - TheLeonardLeap - 07-10-2017 (07-09-2017, 04:35 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: "In December 2015, Russian hackers disrupted the electric system in Ukraine, plunging 225,000 customers into darkness. Last December, they tested a new cyberweapon in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, capable of disrupting power grids around the world." Which would worry me more if you weren't trying to compare a Ukraine power station and a US nuclear power facility's cyber security and security procedures. PS: Nice enormous font. ![]() |