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Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 http://www.dailywire.com/news/19726/speaking-nazis-iceland-disappearing-down-syndrome-john-nolte Actually surprised this wasn't a thread. Also a bit concerning that it wasn't .... since this is actual nazi behavior. Quote:Speaking Of Nazis... Iceland Is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome Children. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - GMDino - 08-20-2017 this was on Facebook last week. There is a test to see if the child has downs. It is not forced on anyone. It is the choice of the parent. Abortions are not forced on anyone. It is the choice of the parent. Not sure how that makes it Nazi-like...but it if did I'm sure we'd have a thread filled with people defending their rights and how the people opposed to them should stop being so upset and just let them do their thing. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Johnny Cupcakes - 08-20-2017 - Promotes plowing through crowds of protesters with automobiles the day that a nazi plows through a crowd of protesters, killing an innocent woman. - Says that real nazi behavior is parents aborting embryos who have a major genetic issue. This way of thinking is a problem. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - BmorePat87 - 08-20-2017 The source is hilarious as they claim abortion is murder with a straight face and are so desperately trying to shield actual Nazis in the US. But this is terrible. Downs isn't a death sentence. I understand the choice of abortion (not that I like the idea) when there's a condition that will likely mean pain and suffering and a quick death. I've known countless students with downs who have gone on to have productive, semi independent lives. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - SunsetBengal - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 09:06 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: - Promotes plowing through crowds of protesters with automobiles the day that a nazi plows through a crowd of protesters, killing an innocent woman. -Says a person that supports equality and inclusiveness that thinks that ending a life is as simple a transaction as returning a pair of pants because they didn't look right.. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 06:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: this was on Facebook last week. Test is only 85% accurate and it tells you if you are low or high risk. Not to mention they push the test on the mother. It's Barbaric. And the only reason they are doing it is so the government doesn't have to pick up the lifelong medical bills. Pretty sure no one wants a child with issues but you do not kill your children. This is one step closer to a GATTACA scenario. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Johnny Cupcakes - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 09:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: -Says a person that supports equality and inclusiveness that thinks that ending a life is as simple a transaction as returning a pair of pants because they didn't look right.. I'm pro-life, Derpy McDerperson. Not fake pro-life like Republicans who no longer care about that life after birth though, I stick with them until the end. Nice assumption though? Still, equating families making incredibly tough decisions to end the life of the embryo because of a massive birth defect that would cause a lifetime of heartache for the parents to nazi behavior is nuts. It's especially nuts considering we have actual nazi behavior in this country, and all that some can manage is "...yeah, but". RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 09:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Test is only 85% accurate and it tells you if you are low or high risk. Not to mention they push the test on the mother. That's completely false. Prenatal genetic screening is offered in the US and the accuracy is better than 85%. The author fails to explain this is a screening test which triggers additional, confirmatory testing such as an amniocentesis. That article is criminally misleading and is a perfect example of why the dailywire should be completely disregarded as a legitimate source of information. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Vas Deferens - 08-20-2017 Speaking of great countries, middle aged americans education was disappeared decades ago leading to mass ignorance and hyper obtuseness. #INCAPABLEOFIDENTIFYINGONESOWNDEFICIENCIES RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - jason - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 09:39 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I'm pro-life, Derpy McDerperson. Not fake pro-life like Republicans who no longer care about that life after birth though, I stick with them until the end. Nice assumption though? My first kid was born the day after my 41st birthday. The Mrs. was 33 at the time... A few years younger than when they really suggest that you have this test for Down Syndrome. I still remember them asking us if we wanted it. I thought about it for weeks, and decided I didn't want it, because I didn't want to put myself in the position to even think about making this choice. This "story" is trash. I'm certain that 99% of everyone who made that decision to end the pregnancy agonized over it. To paint this as some eugenics project is weak. I don't like abortion either. Humans suck though. They are always going to pay for sex, do drugs, and act irresponsible when they face an unwanted pregnancy. There will always be abortion. There always has been. A necessary evil if there ever was one. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - SunsetBengal - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 09:06 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: - Promotes plowing through crowds of protesters with automobiles the day that a nazi plows through a crowd of protesters, killing an innocent woman. (08-20-2017, 09:39 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I'm pro-life, Derpy McDerperson. Not fake pro-life like Republicans who no longer care about that life after birth though, I stick with them until the end. Nice assumption though? Are you sure that you're "pro anything"? Seems to me like you alter your position, according to whatever messenger you want to attack.. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Johnny Cupcakes - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 10:25 PM)jason Wrote: My first kid was born the day after my 41st birthday. The Mrs. was 33 at the time... A few years younger than when they really suggest that you have this test for Down Syndrome. I still remember them asking us if we wanted it. I thought about it for weeks, and decided I didn't want it, because I didn't want to put myself in the position to even think about making this choice. I've always really struggled with the idea of abortion. I hate the fact that it is, at times, necessary. I hate that it can make me feel like I should deny others the right to choose what they should do with their body, and I hate that the right to body autonomy makes me feel like I should be ok with terminating life. I think that if there was a "be all, end all" vote on it, I would abstain from voting. Only because I'd be pissed at myself no matter which way I voted. I think I'd secretly be hoping that the pro-life side won though. Either way, I've never met someone who treated abortion like it was as easy as "returning a pair of jeans". - "What are you doing today?" - "Oh, I'll grab some Chipotle for lunch, drop some things off at the post office, go have an abortion, then come home and catch up on Game of Thrones". No matter how much conservatives want to push that idea, it's certainly not how it happens. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Johnny Cupcakes - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 11:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are you sure that you're "pro anything"? Seems to me like you alter your position, according to whatever messenger you want to attack.. Sure...I'll bite. Which positions do I alter so often that you feel the need to bring it up? RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - SunsetBengal - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 11:17 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Sure...I'll bite. Well, in your first post, directed toward the OP, you appeared to defend parents' right to abort. Fair enough, that's your opinion. In your second response, you herpty Mcderp me, and say that you're pro life. Personally, I don't care what side you stand with, just remain consistent.. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Johnny Cupcakes - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 11:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, in your first post, directed toward the OP, you appeared to defend parents' right to abort. Fair enough, that's your opinion. You see, you assumed that since I didn't paint abortion in the absolute most evil of colors, that I was an abortion proponent. There was literally zero defense there (unless you're talking about me saying that it's not nazi behavior (it's not))....I stated exactly what it is. You didn't care to ask about my opinion on the subject, you just want straight for the attack. So you got called "Derpy McDerperson" due to your incorrect assumptions....it's a standard thing I call people that assume incorrect things about me. Get outta here with that. Apology accepted. For the record, for anyone who is curious, and so certain posters don't get upset due to their own assumptions: I consider my self to be pro-life, although I'm conflicted on the issue. I'm probably a bit less pro-life than the average black-and-white "how could you murder a baby?" pro-lifers, but much more pro-life than the "it's out of the womb...**** it." pro-lifers...who are often the same people. My opinions on the subject are public record on this forum, and I've stated them on more occasion than one. They may evolve a bit as I grow as a person (and I reserve that right), but I feel I've been pretty consistent on the subject. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - CKwi88 - 08-20-2017 (08-20-2017, 11:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, in your first post, directed toward the OP, you appeared to defend parents' right to abort. Fair enough, that's your opinion. Not that Johnny needs me to post this, but try and think a little broader than such a narrow-minded black and white view of an insanely complex issue. Being against the act of abortion and respecting people's right to make their own choices regarding the issue are not mutually exclusive. I'd wager it's actually the most popular ideology among Americans that abortion is terrible, most wish it never had to happen, but it does and decisions have to be made. Just because you've always been told that pro-life and pro-choice are on different ends of the spectrum, doesn't make it true. Using a system like that serves nothing more than to make it a "us vs them" mentality, which stifles all conversation, which you've put on display in your response. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - SunsetBengal - 08-21-2017 (08-20-2017, 11:40 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: You see, you assumed that since I didn't paint abortion in the absolute most evil of colors, that I was an abortion proponent. There was literally zero defense there (unless you're talking about me saying that it's not nazi behavior (it's not))....I stated exactly what it is. You didn't care to ask about my opinion on the subject, you just want straight for the attack. So you got called "Derpy McDerperson" due to your incorrect assumptions....it's a standard thing I call people that assume incorrect things about me. Very well, apology to you. However, in this particular forum, it would seem to be poor form to mask one's views from post to post. Now, go take off your shifty McClever glasses, and go re-read what you originally wrote. (assuming that you did) Please explain why you would want to appear to be supporting the people killing babies on only the suspicion of being down syndrome in one post, then proclaim yourself to be pro life in the next? At the very least, that is borderline on trolling the OP. Please stop. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - Johnny Cupcakes - 08-21-2017 (08-21-2017, 12:01 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Very well, apology to you. Ok...let's get to the heart of the issue. You seem to believe that me saying that aborting an embryo is not "Nazi behavior" = me saying that I support people killing an embryo. That's the problem here. There are no "masked views". I legitimately do not consider that to be Nazi behavior. You're crazy if you do. I also legitimately do not particularly agree with that choice (though the genetic disorder aspect of it makes it less clear cut). You don't need Shifty McClever glasses to be able to see the difference here. Now, I think it's more than borderline trolling for you to continue painting my views in a way that you know they were not intended in an attempt to get a conversational upper hand. Please stop. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 08-21-2017 (08-21-2017, 12:01 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Very well, apology to you. The article is filled with misinformation and lies. It's anti-abortion propaganda masquerading as journalism. Fetuses aren't aborted on a "suspicion" of Down Syndrome. If a triple screen is positive it triggers confirmatory testing such as an amniocentesis or an ultrasound. Triple screens screen for more than just Down Syndrome, but for other defects as well such as neural tube defects such as anencephaly. Do you know which group bands together less than people born with Down Syndrome? People born with incomplete to no brain. But, did the author mention them? No. Why? Because that wouldn't be effective for a propaganda piece. You can't even call this piss poor reporting because the author is deliberately misleading the reader by omitting essential information needed to understand prenatal genetic testing. Why? Because the author isn't trying to educate you on genetic screening. The author is trying to mislead you. That's why the author is a liar. As far as borderline trolling, posting an article which deliberately spreads blatant lies is more than borderline trolling; it is trolling. Period. Please make it stop. RE: Speaking of Nazi's: Iceland is 'Disappearing' Down Syndrome children - StLucieBengal - 08-21-2017 (08-20-2017, 09:40 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's completely false. That's from CBS news the video portion of this story. The test used there was 85% Instead of worrying about the dailywire you should just take the time to look where the story originated. It would save you having to grand stand on these stories. |