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Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - StLucieBengal - 09-04-2017 http://www.dailywire.com/news/20598/time-full-scale-investigation-maybe-even-special-ben-shapiro Seems about time to have a special counsel at least. Let them dig. Quote:Time For A Full-Scale Investigation — Maybe Even A Special Counsel — On Hillary, Obama, and Comey RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - BmorePat87 - 09-04-2017 http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Political-Comics-Memes-Jokes-etc?page=417 RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Belsnickel - 09-04-2017 Yeah, this is a mountain out of a mole hill situation. A lot depends on what the actual content of the statement is; context is key. I get that is an attempt by those on the right to paint Comey in a bad light, but the statement from these legislators was intentionally light on facts for this reason. If the statement was actually damning, then more of the actual content would be released. The fact that they are so light on the details means that leaving it up to the imagination will make it far worse in the minds of the public than it actually is. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - StLucieBengal - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 05:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, this is a mountain out of a mole hill situation. A lot depends on what the actual content of the statement is; context is key. I get that is an attempt by those on the right to paint Comey in a bad light, but the statement from these legislators was intentionally light on facts for this reason. If the statement was actually damning, then more of the actual content would be released. The fact that they are so light on the details means that leaving it up to the imagination will make it far worse in the minds of the public than it actually is. Trump/Russia has also been light on details yet here we are saddled with a special counsel. We should let one go on this as well. See what comes up. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Belsnickel - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 05:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Trump/Russia has also been light on details yet here we are saddled with a special counsel. We should let one go on this as well. See what comes up. I'm sure it's going to be covered, because Mueller's role was really to investigate Russian interference in the election, overall. Because of Trump's actions with Comey, it is also a criminal investigation into obstruction of justice. Because Comey's actions in this would be relevant, it could fall under the Mueller investigation as well. This won't make all of those that praised Mueller at first and then saw him getting too close to home and started hating on him happy, but still. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - StLucieBengal - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 05:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm sure it's going to be covered, because Mueller's role was really to investigate Russian interference in the election, overall. Because of Trump's actions with Comey, it is also a criminal investigation into obstruction of justice. Because Comey's actions in this would be relevant, it could fall under the Mueller investigation as well. This won't make all of those that praised Mueller at first and then saw him getting too close to home and started hating on him happy, but still. Special counsels are the worst. They are not bound by any guidelines. They can just investigate until they find anything. Doesn't matter if it's Germane to the original investigation. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - hollodero - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 06:22 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Special counsels are the worst. They are not bound by any guidelines. They can just investigate until they find anything. Doesn't matter if it's Germane to the original investigation. But who would have a problem with that? If Russia really is all nothing, but they catch Trump in massive tax fraud instead, it's still criminal activity brought to light. Which I guess would be good; isn't it always? RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - BmorePat87 - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 07:05 PM)hollodero Wrote: But who would have a problem with that? If Russia really is all nothing, but they catch Trump in massive tax fraud instead, it's still criminal activity brought to light. Which I guess would be good; isn't it always? There's no reason to be upset with oversight, accountability, and transparency. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - BigPapaKain - 09-04-2017 Because if we're gonna waste tax dollars, it might as well be on people who aren't in office. Wouldn't want the skeletons in the CURRENT administration's office checked up on. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Griever - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 06:22 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Special counsels are the worst. They are not bound by any guidelines. They can just investigate until they find anything. Doesn't matter if it's Germane to the original investigation. again, if trump has nothing to hide, he shouldn't be concerned about any of this RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - StLucieBengal - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 08:10 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: There's no reason to be upset with oversight, accountability, and transparency. (09-04-2017, 10:01 PM)Griever Wrote: again, if trump has nothing to hide, he shouldn't be concerned about any of this Then let's open up a special counsel on Hillary, Obama, and comey. Let's see what he/she comes up with afterall.... no reason to be upset with accountability. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Benton - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 10:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then let's open up a special counsel on Hillary, Obama, and comey. Let's see what he/she comes up with afterall.... no reason to be upset with accountability. Why? There have been investigations. Nothing has come of them. We're going to waste more money for...? If the GOP is going to prove they can govern, they're going to have to stop wasting time and money being the opposition party. You've got the helm, lead. Stop wasting resources saying bill Clinton is ruining your life. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - hollodero - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 10:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then let's open up a special counsel on Hillary, Obama, and comey. Let's see what he/she comes up with afterall.... no reason to be upset with accountability. Yeah isn't that clever, how you slyly turned it around... but indeed, no reason. The main problem seems to be that this whole Hillary, Obama, Comey story hasn't much substance to it. You could investigate anyone, sure, including Deflategate and who named the hurricane Harvey. But for the sake of rationality, there needs to be good reason and a bit more than some people connecting imaginary dots for an investigation. The republican party, which is in power, seems to agree, and they followed an investigation right into Bills pants and initiated 1.364 Benghazi investigations, so it's not like they waste an opportunity easily. When even those guys agree it's a bit thin, that should tell you something. At least, that it is way thinner as a current president having had advisers that actually were (secret) foreign agents, a president firing an FBI director because of an investigation he didn't like, business deals en masse that all were strongly denied before, Russian hacking and Email releases to aid Donald Trump, mails and meetings from Trump sons, son-in-laws and roughly 13.000 associates with Russians of all sorts of ties to Putin swirling that date. And, of course, the whole this being the current administration, so they actually can do further harm thing. The current investigation is way more legit than the proposed other one. To weigh it any different, you have to add a real heavy piece of partisanship into the balance. If you're against special counsel in principle, I could at least some logic behind that. But actually saying special counsels are the worst and then that there should be a special counsel investigating Obama, no matter your intentions that doesn't sound inspiring to my intellect. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - StLucieBengal - 09-04-2017 (09-04-2017, 10:50 PM)Benton Wrote: Why? Let me be clear. I would never have a special counsel. I think they should not be open ended to just find something. That is a waste. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Matt_Crimson - 09-05-2017 (09-04-2017, 07:05 PM)hollodero Wrote: But who would have a problem with that? If Russia really is all nothing, but they catch Trump in massive tax fraud instead, it's still criminal activity brought to light. Which I guess would be good; isn't it always? Good because why? RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Belsnickel - 09-05-2017 (09-04-2017, 11:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Let me be clear. I would never have a special counsel. I think they should not be open ended to just find something. That is a waste. In all seriousness, there would not be support for it. If the administration and/or Congress were to open an investigation into Clinton and/or Obama, the public backlash would be immense. That is the move of an authoritarian state, a move taken by dictators to start investigations into their opposition. When you have all of the power, initiating political investigations into those that don't is not something that is popular. We see those sorts of things happen and then a few years later there is an armed revolution in the country leading to a civil war. I want oversight, I want accountability, but tensions are too high right now in this country to start a partisan investigation like that. There are too many groups on the right and the left that are ready to start a revolution by bullet instead of ballot box. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - hollodero - 09-05-2017 (09-05-2017, 08:40 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Good because why? Because overall it's a good thing when criminal activities would come to light. Who would opt against that? I know FOX brought a story that was like "So would you care if Trump's a criminal", to which I would say yes. No matter if the president were Trump or Obama or whoever, if he/she did something criminal, I wouldn't be against it getting out. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - BmorePat87 - 09-05-2017 (09-04-2017, 10:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then let's open up a special counsel on Hillary, Obama, and comey. Let's see what he/she comes up with afterall.... no reason to be upset with accountability. Sure, I just don't see what requires a special counsel. Historically, special counsels have existed to independently investigate issues where major executive figures (whether the AG, President, or other DOJ leaders) must recuse themselves as they have some vested interest or involvement. This would be an investigation by one administration's DOJ over the actions of a past administration's DOJ. Reno had an independent counsel look into Waco because she was the responsible party. Ashcroft had an independent counsel to look into the Valerie Plame leak after close political allies were involved. Clinton had an independent counsel for Whitewater because it was investigating himself. Mueller was brought into the Russian interference investigation because Jeff Sessions recused himself because he had contacts with Russian diplomats during the campaign. The Daily Wire either doesn't understand what the point of a special counsel is or they are just writing this drivel to get ignorant people who are enraged at the Russian probe to react. RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - CKwi88 - 09-05-2017 (09-05-2017, 10:57 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The Daily Wire either doesn't understand what the point of a special counsel is or they are just writing this drivel to get ignorant people who are enraged at the Russian probe to react. Well, we know they got at least one hook, line, and sinker. ![]() RE: Time for a full scale investigation-special counsel on Hillary, Obama and Comey - Griever - 09-05-2017 (09-05-2017, 11:24 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: Well, we know they got at least one hook, line, and sinker. they got him multiple times on the same bait |