![]() |
Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Printable Version +- Cincinnati Bengals Message Board / Forums - Home of Jungle Noise (http://thebengalsboard.com) +-- Forum: Off Topic Forums (http://thebengalsboard.com/Forum-Off-Topic-Forums) +--- Forum: Politics & Religion 2.0 (http://thebengalsboard.com/Forum-Politics-Religion-2-0) +---- Forum: P & R Archive (http://thebengalsboard.com/Forum-P-R-Archive) +---- Thread: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate (/Thread-Trump-admin-rescinds-Obamacare-hhs-contraceptive-mandate) |
Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - StLucieBengal - 10-06-2017 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/06/trump-administration-rescinds-obamacares-hhs-contraceptive-mandate/ Good start. Just keep breaking this thing up piece by piece if they won't repeal. Another campaign promise kept. Quote:Trump Administration Rescinds Obamacare’s HHS Contraceptive Mandate RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - GMDino - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 01:37 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/06/trump-administration-rescinds-obamacares-hhs-contraceptive-mandate/ I wonder how many abortions he's paid for? But hey, private versus public money. Amiright? Anyway...as long as viagra is still covered so old men like the POTUS can keep up with their younger wives I guess it's okay. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Nately120 - 10-06-2017 My only concern is saying that we wont stand for religious discrimination is going to make Muslims think they have the right to run wild. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Au165 - 10-06-2017 They should then add a mandate that anyone who doesn't pay for contraception must cover child care. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - GMDino - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:02 PM)Au165 Wrote: They should then add a mandate that anyone who doesn't pay for contraception must cover child care. You misunderstand. "Pro life" means the child must be born. After that it's up to the loser woman that had it to provide without any assistance. And if the child is fortunate enough to reach 18 old Uncle Sam will gladly welcome them into the meat grinder for the next really important country we are defending/invading. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - bfine32 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:02 PM)Au165 Wrote: They should then add a mandate that anyone who doesn't pay for contraception must cover child care. I would assume the vast majority of insurance already covers dependent children. Deductables and premiums may rise. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Au165 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would assume the vast majority of insurance already covers dependent children. Deductables and premiums may rise. No you misunderstand, I mean the child care as in day care so that the adults can work to actually provide for themselves and the kid they had. Otherwise what happens is the cost of child care outweighs the income being brought in and it makes it more advantageous to go on government assistance and watch your own kid. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - bfine32 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:19 PM)Au165 Wrote: No you misunderstand, I mean the child care as in day care so that the adults can work to actually provide for themselves and the kid they had. Otherwise what happens is the cost of child care outweighs the income being brought in and it makes it more advantageous to go on government assistance and watch your own kid. Oh, that sounds more like a personal responsibility and not that of the employer. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Benton - 10-06-2017 Not a shock. Unfortunately, using legislation to press religious beliefs on others is only going to further push people away from religion. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Au165 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh, that sounds more like a personal responsibility and not that of the employer. That becomes a country responsibility when they are funneled into the assistance programs. Why is it those same health care plans still cover Viagra? Shouldn't they only cover Viagra to people who are married based on their religious beliefs? Next question, what about the fact that birth control is also a medication that is used to treat heavy menstrual flow? Do we need to ban any drugs being covered that lower sperm count in men as a side effect? That could also be interpreted as a form of birth control. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - bfine32 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:34 PM)Au165 Wrote: 1) That becomes a country responsibility when they are funneled into the assistance programs. Why is it those same health care plans still cover Viagra? Shouldn't they only cover Viagra to people who are married based on their religious beliefs? 1). I suppose it is because ED is a medical condition (or so I've been told). By your standards if a pregnancy occurs as a result of the male taking Viagra then the employer should pay for child care. 2) If heavy menstrual flow is a condition that requires treatment and oral contraceptive is the only method of treatment then it should be authorized and I would be mad with you if it were not. Once again you are pointing to a drain on society "funneled into the assistance programs". That is not an employers responsibility. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - Au165 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1). I suppose it is because ED is a medical condition (or so I've been told). By your standards if a pregnancy occurs as a result of the male taking Viagra then the employer should pay for child care. So as to 1, ED is only a medical condition effecting ones ability to have sex. If you are not married, by many religious beliefs, you should not be having sex. So again Viagra should not be covered unless they are married if that is an owners religious belief correct? Interesting response to 2, so you don't care that the outcome is the same being that a woman in incapable of having a child? The religious freedoms of the employer now stop there? As to your last point, the law made employee healthcare including birth control the responsibility of the employer. Them skirting that responsibility moves it back to society. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - bfine32 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:57 PM)Au165 Wrote: 1) So as to 1, ED is only a medical condition effecting ones ability to have sex. If you are not married, by many religious beliefs, you should not be having sex. So again Viagra should not be covered unless they are married if that is an owners religious belief correct?1- Yes, Viagra should only be covered by health insurance companies if they are married. 2- Perhaps interesting but not inconsistent. I've always placed the health of the mother above an unborn child; I just don't place her convenience above it. 3- No it doesn't it places the responsibility back on the individual. Nobody but that individual is responsible for them having Children they cannot afford and damn sure not the employer. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would assume the vast majority of insurance already covers dependent children. Deductables and premiums may rise. Which do you think is cheaper? Birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies or health care for dependent children as a result of an unwanted pregnancies up to the age of 26? By not covering the birth control employers are most likely increasing their costs to the insurance companies or the cost to tax payers if they receive something like Medicaid. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - GMDino - 10-06-2017 Wasn't there an option already for those with religious reservations to simply sign off and opt out of that part? Why did it have to be rescinded completely? RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - bfine32 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 03:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Which do you think is cheaper? Birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies or health care for dependent children as a result of an unwanted pregnancies up to the age of 26? By not covering the birth control employers are most likely increasing their costs to the insurance companies or the cost to tax payers if they receive something like Medicaid. Cheaper for whom? RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 03:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Cheaper for whom? Haven't you been talking about the cost to the employer providing the health insurance? But, I believe the cost of contraception vs the cost of 26 years of health care would be cheaper for the parent, the employer providing the insurance, and the insurance company. Do you agree or disagree? RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - bfine32 - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 04:08 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Haven't you been talking about the cost to the employer providing the health insurance? I have not been talking about that, but to answer your question: I'm almost certain it would cost the insurance company and employer more; however, I assume these costs are offset by increase deductibles/premiums. The real cost is to the employee and it is no one's job to protect an employee from him or herself during their time away from work. RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - StLucieBengal - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:19 PM)Au165 Wrote: No you misunderstand, I mean the child care as in day care so that the adults can work to actually provide for themselves and the kid they had. Otherwise what happens is the cost of child care outweighs the income being brought in and it makes it more advantageous to go on government assistance and watch your own kid. Here is the solution. 1. Get married 2. Someone stays home and takes care of the children while the other works. Asking grandparents, aunts/uncles, siblings to help when need d. 3. Have more children RE: Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate - michaelsean - 10-06-2017 (10-06-2017, 02:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: I wonder how many abortions he's paid for? But hey, private versus public money. Amiright? The Viagra argument has always been stupid. Viagra helps fix something that isn’t working. Birth control stops something from working properly. I think it’s wise to include birth control in insurance policies for those of child bearing years but that argument is stupid. A question. I didn’t read much of the article because I’m on my phone and I’m not reading all of that, but isn’t the mandate in the law? How is that reversed with an EO? |