(10-12-2017, 09:06 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I love who your heroes are.

(10-12-2017, 10:13 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I'm trying to figure out if it's more respectable for your hero to be Donald Trump or Eminem.  They both say terrible, disgusting things, yet both have rabid fanboy followings.  

(10-12-2017, 09:42 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I remember when Eminem was a misogynist piece of shit.

I find it funny the slobbering that is occurring by some people over him. Tribalism bullshit making people ignore just how problematic some people are.

(10-12-2017, 09:42 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I remember when Eminem was a misogynist piece of shit.

I find it funny the slobbering that is occurring by some people over him. Tribalism bullshit making people ignore just how problematic some people are.

(10-12-2017, 10:19 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Or neither  is a good way to go.

(10-12-2017, 10:57 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Yes, of course.  But the fact remains, it is still more respectable to like one of them over the other one, which is what this thread is going to turn into.  Let the debate begin.

I take no sides, for now.

Can we get a list of positives and negatives for both Slim Shady and President Drumpf?  Excel form, preferably.

(10-12-2017, 11:09 AM)jason Wrote: I smell a Senate race brewing in the great state of Michigan.... Soon we will have a federal government of nothing but celebutards. Kid Rock and Slim Shady will be stumping all over the upper and lower peninsulas... Battle rappin' and whatnot.

Just wait until Oprah throws her hat in the ring to win the Democratic nomination for president in 2020. She'll be giving away cars, and flipping MAGA types in no time.

What a stupid ass society we have at the moment.

(10-12-2017, 11:12 AM)michaelsean Wrote: What about Harbaugh?  And Tim Allen?  Bob Seger.  And of course the Motor City Madman.  

(10-12-2017, 10:22 AM)jason Wrote: The flow was herky jerky to say the least. The ryhmes we're kinda weak too.

Someday soon people may realize that all of the constant whining only makes Trump stronger in the eyes of his minions.

Eminem made is career off of being a boorish turd too. PC culture was all over his ass 17 years ago for the way he talked about gays and women.

The left needs to get it's shit together, and reconnect with it's true base... The middle class, and the working man. The whining is doing nothing for us. This has allowed a game show host con man to somehow become the voice of the little guy... Even though he's shit on him his entire career.

(10-12-2017, 11:45 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: True (bold), but you can't move far left with socialistic agenda and expect to step in line with the middle class. It is proven, the freebies are paid for by the middle class.  

(10-12-2017, 11:51 AM)Benton Wrote: Unfortunately, the same thing has happened with the right. They moved ultra-right with freebies of their own. 

The middle class have no party, and haven't in a very long while.

(10-12-2017, 11:56 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Cool story?

What freebies?

(10-12-2017, 01:04 PM)Benton Wrote: Second home mortgage deductions.

NFIP, which isn't intended to create lower cost flood insurance for beach front homes... but the end result is lower insurance for beach front homes.

Yachts are tax deductible. Locally, in one county I cover (on a public access Army Corps lake), it will cost you about as much in taxes on a john boat as it does for a six figure power boat or house boat, thanks to a lower "luxury" rate.

Rental property. I don't take many of the deductions as I think it's ridiculous, but you can deduct most of your expense against profit. 

Gambling loss deductions.

Farm subsidies. If you've got the investment up front, the USDA will basically pay for you to hold tracts of land and do nothing, or have them farmed. It's a long-term investment, but land only goes up in value. So if you own land you can avoid taxes on for 10, 20, 30 years, you can make a hefty chunk with virtually no taxes paid until you sell.

There are more examples, but at the end of the day, we've got a lot of ways of spending middle class money so people who can afford luxury items and investments can do so cheaper or with less risk. And, no, I don't think it's a cool story.

(10-12-2017, 01:04 PM)Benton Wrote: Second home mortgage deductions. Free? No you have to buy something.

NFIP, which isn't intended to create lower cost flood insurance for beach front homes... but the end result is lower insurance for beach front homes. Free? nope

Yachts are tax deductible. Locally, in one county I cover (on a public access Army Corps lake), it will cost you about as much in taxes on a john boat as it does for a six figure power boat or house boat, thanks to a lower "luxury" rate. Free? Again no

Rental property. I don't take many of the deductions as I think it's ridiculous, but you can deduct most of your expense against profit. Free. Nope?

Gambling loss deductions.- No, only can take losses to offset winnings, so wrong again.

Farm subsidies. If you've got the investment up front, the USDA will basically pay for you to hold tracts of land and do nothing, or have them farmed. It's a long-term investment, but land only goes up in value. So if you own land you can avoid taxes on for 10, 20, 30 years, you can make a hefty chunk with virtually no taxes paid until you sell. Again requires a purchase and not free.

There are more examples, but at the end of the day, we've got a lot of ways of spending middle class money so people who can afford luxury items and investments can do so cheaper or with less risk. And, no, I don't think it's a cool story.

(10-12-2017, 01:06 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Why shouldn't you be able to deduct expenses from rental property income or gambling losses from gambling income?  

(10-12-2017, 01:19 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: LOL

You have a major misunderstanding of free. Free cell phones and the call for free healthcare for some is free. You did not name 1 thing that is not available to every US citizen if they choose to spend money on those items.

(10-12-2017, 01:21 PM)Benton Wrote: Luvnit asked about benefits being paid by the middle class that they don't typically get to enjoy. Those are just some of the things that come to mind. Along with the race horses. I forgot that one. I don't know a lot of blue collar folks who own a race horse they get to deduct. As with rental property and gamblers there's surely some, but it's probably not a huge number.