(02-07-2018, 10:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Thanks for proving my point.  You were one of the guys who claimed Peko was so bad no other team would have him as a starter then a team with one of the best defenses in the league signs him for more than the Bengals paid him and made him a starter.

Kirkpatrick has not been garbage for years.  People who talk like this are just repeating message board myths.  And they think that if enough no-nothings agree with them then they must be right.  

(02-07-2018, 04:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This FO would be completely stupid to give Bodine starter money after him being ranked atleast near the worst Center
in the league since he came into it. With you on this one. But if they just let him sit out there while no one even looks
at him and bring him back at backup price i am not against it. Especially if Pollack thinks he can work with him.


Yep, and that is what was so terrible about PA making the pick in the first place.

Bodine didn't even fit the scheme we ran.

(02-07-2018, 10:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The fact that Marvin has not won a playoff game does not mean he can not win a playoff game.

(02-09-2018, 10:17 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Ryan Jensen is a Free Agent.  Taking him weakens a division opponent.  It saves Bodine's salary, and the savings the Bengals have by not paying a QB much (think he is the 19th-highest paid) should be applied here to help both protect Dalton and open up the running game.

The last time the opportunity came for a top-tier FA center was Mack.  I begged and pleaded.  The Bengals didn't sign him.  The Falcons did.  One team took the next step, the other took steps back.

Here we go again.  Jensen should be a Bengal.  He is young, he is one of the best, and he would weaken a division opponent.  Yet, we will probably see Bodine's awful ass in the starting lineup next season again.  Puke. 

(02-08-2018, 08:38 PM)PDub80 Wrote: This got me thinking.

In 15 years under Marvin I would rather the Bengals go to 3 AFC championship games and then lose the other 12 seasons than I would lose in the first round every other year. So, basically, every 5 seasons they're good enough to make a run at it vs. being the first one voted off the island every 2 seasons. At least in the AFC Championship game you could say they were close or could maybe make it. At that point, I would think Marvin was a hell of a coach.

(02-09-2018, 10:57 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Utterly false.

Overrated, not a great run blocker, would basically be another Bodine, IMO.

I will give you that he's young and able to improve, but he really isn't that good; I don't know why everyone has a hard-on for him.

(02-09-2018, 11:29 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: He's better than Bodine. Any upgrade on the line would be welcomed IMO. 

(02-09-2018, 11:43 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: didn't the ravens have a worse ol than us?  just cause the name changes doesn't mean its an upgrade

(02-09-2018, 10:31 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This is like saying:  "Bodine sucks.  He has always sucked.  It doesn't mean he will always suck.  Here is a new contract"

(02-09-2018, 12:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually, no, it is nothing like that.

If Bodine had played well in 90% of his games but just looked bad in 3 or 4 playoff games then most people would agree that he had the talent to play well in a playoff game.

Marvin has beaten lots of playoff teams, and coaches use the same skills in the playoffs as they do in the regular season.  I am as upset as anyone that we have not won a playoff game, but you can't say that Marvin does not have the coaching skills to beat playoff teams because the skills are the same in the playoffs as they are in the regular season.

(02-09-2018, 01:28 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What's the "right" way to determine if Bodine played well in 90% of his games?
I feel like the only ways for a fan to determine that are to rewatch game tape for every game or access something like premium PFF to get game-by-game scores.
I will say this though...Bodine wouldn't have had a PFF score of 46.9 by playing well in 90% of games and poorly in the remaining 10%.

(02-09-2018, 12:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually, no, it is nothing like that.

If Bodine had played well in 90% of his games but just looked bad in 3 or 4 playoff games then most people would agree that he had the talent to play well in a playoff game.

Marvin has beaten lots of playoff teams, and coaches use the same skills in the playoffs as they do in the regular season.  I am as upset as anyone that we have not won a playoff game, but you can't say that Marvin does not have the coaching skills to beat playoff teams because the skills are the same in the playoffs as they are in the regular season.

(02-09-2018, 11:29 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: He's better than Bodine. Any upgrade on the line would be welcomed IMO. 

(02-09-2018, 02:16 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Without a doube, he's better than Bodine.

But he's still not that good.

(02-09-2018, 10:17 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Ryan Jensen is a Free Agent.  Taking him weakens a division opponent.  It saves Bodine's salary, and the savings the Bengals have by not paying a QB much (think he is the 19th-highest paid) should be applied here to help both protect Dalton and open up the running game.

The last time the opportunity came for a top-tier FA center was Mack.  I begged and pleaded.  The Bengals didn't sign him.  The Falcons did.  One team took the next step, the other took steps back.

Here we go again.  Jensen should be a Bengal.  He is young, he is one of the best, and he would weaken a division opponent.  Yet, we will probably see Bodine's awful ass in the starting lineup next season again.  Puke. 

(02-09-2018, 02:16 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Without a doube, he's better than Bodine.

But he's still not that good.

(02-09-2018, 02:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I doubt the Ravens don't re-sign Jensen, but if we could grab him from them i would be all for it.

He played well last year, better than any of the other FA Centers that will be available. But it was only one year of production.

I still think the best way to go is to draft a Center like Ragnow, Price or Daniels in the 2nd round or trade back in the first and grab one.

These guys all have a higher upside than Jensen IMHO.

(02-09-2018, 02:42 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Barring a true change in offseason approach, the Bengals will likely address OT/OG before addressing C.
Therefore, I think the Bengals will wait until the third round at the earliest to address C.

(02-09-2018, 02:46 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sure hope you are wrong about waiting that long. Those 3 will all be gone by the 3rd i am sure of it.

Both Price and Daniels could go in the 1st.

I like Ragnow better than both of these guys though as he has done it the longest and has been the most consistent.

(02-09-2018, 10:57 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Utterly false.

Overrated, not a great run blocker, would basically be another Bodine, IMO.

I will give you that he's young and able to improve, but he really isn't that good; I don't know why everyone has a hard-on for him.