(01-29-2018, 02:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't know why so many people keep saying this.  Just three years ago the same people were complaining about using both a first and second round pick on O-line.

MB made Levi Jones and Willie Anderson the highest paid pair of starting tackles in the league.  He has also paid lots of other O-linemen well including Bobboe Williams, Whitworth, Andre Smith, Stacey Andrews, and Clint Boling.

In 2015 we used a first and second round pick on O-linemen

In 2014 we traded up in the third round to get an O-lineman.

In 2012 we used a first round pick on an O-lineman.

In 2009 we used a first round pick on an O-lineman.

 
 

(01-29-2018, 02:18 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Casual fans love skill position players and QB's. That's where Mike seems to invest the most.

Even now, a lot of fans are thinking a new QB will fix things.

(01-29-2018, 02:18 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Casual fans love skill position players and QB's. That's where Mike seems to invest the most.

Even now, a lot of fans are thinking a new QB will fix things.

(01-29-2018, 02:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't know why so many people keep saying this.  Just three years ago the same people were complaining about using both a first and second round pick on O-line.

MB made Levi Jones and Willie Anderson the highest paid pair of starting tackles in the league.  He has also paid lots of other O-linemen well including Bobboe Williams, Whitworth, Andre Smith, Stacey Andrews, and Clint Boling.

In 2015 we used a first and second round pick on O-linemen

In 2014 we traded up in the third round to get an O-lineman.

In 2012 we used a first round pick on an O-lineman.

In 2009 we used a first round pick on an O-lineman.

 
 

(01-26-2018, 05:56 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: The New OL coach seemed to like bodine...   So ill give him a chance to work with him before I condemn the move.   he seemed to play well in the changed scheme the last few games. But I haven't looked at PFF or anything to confirm

But I think its smart to at least sign him to a small team friendly deal (not gonna be a ton of demand on the market... )  cause if we cant sign or draft a center that's an upgrade then we are better off with the guys that's been doing it the last 4 years I think than someone that couldn't unseat him the last 2.

(01-29-2018, 02:07 PM)ochocincos Wrote: NFL.com had Bodine listed as a 3-4.
4th round was appropriate for him I think.

(01-26-2018, 05:56 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: The New OL coach seemed to like bodine...   So ill give him a chance to work with him before I condemn the move.   he seemed to play well in the changed scheme the last few games. But I haven't looked at PFF or anything to confirm

But I think its smart to at least sign him to a small team friendly deal (not gonna be a ton of demand on the market... )  cause if we cant sign or draft a center that's an upgrade then we are better off with the guys that's been doing it the last 4 years I think than someone that couldn't unseat him the last 2.

(02-01-2018, 03:46 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Yeah, it's sad really. I'm not in love with Dalton at all, but he's better than many other options and whoever comes in is going to have to deal with the sieve up front. The team would be much better off with Dalton + a fixed OL than with another QB and the same shitty line.

(02-01-2018, 10:32 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I blame fantasy football.

(02-04-2018, 03:39 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm not in love with him either. I just know that our problems are more complex than a simple swap of QB's. There's the o-line issues you mention, the head coach is possibly the worst big-game coach in NFL history, and the owner is also probably the worst in history. Any new QB will be saddled with all those things, and he'll probably fail against the Steelers, in prime-time and in the playoffs, just as Palmer and Dalton did.


You're probably right. Think of all the defensive stars of the past. Icons like Reggie White, Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders, Ronnie Lott, Mean Joe, etc etc. Those guys were all stars that people tuned in to see. Outside of JJ Watt, there really aren't many defensive superstars over the last decade or so. People don't tune in for defense. I'm sure some might disagree, but it seems that way to me.

(02-04-2018, 03:39 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm not in love with him either. I just know that our problems are more complex than a simple swap of QB's. There's the o-line issues you mention, the head coach is possibly the worst big-game coach in NFL history, and the owner is also probably the worst in history. Any new QB will be saddled with all those things, and he'll probably fail against the Steelers, in prime-time and in the playoffs, just as Palmer and Dalton did.


You're probably right. Think of all the defensive stars of the past. Icons like Reggie White, Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders, Ronnie Lott, Mean Joe, etc etc. Those guys were all stars that people tuned in to see. Outside of JJ Watt, there really aren't many defensive superstars over the last decade or so. People don't tune in for defense. I'm sure some might disagree, but it seems that way to me.

(01-28-2018, 04:48 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: Once again this change stuff was all bullshit. The lower level coaches faces have changed but guess what? The organizations philosophy has stayed exactly the same. I keep hearing how a new line coach could help Bodine and these other guys that are getting out muscled and pushed around. How exactly do you coach strength? This isn’t a bench press contest either, it doesn’t mean jack what Bodine can bench press. Maybe he doesn’t have enough lower body strength or has slow reflexes. I’m not buying that it’s all about technique. The main point is that my Brown is staying the same stubborn ass course.

(01-26-2018, 04:56 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: As long as the money is not too bad then he can fight for starting spot and maybe still be a back up if he gets beat  out. He might also look like a different player with a different coach.

(01-26-2018, 06:14 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This would only be true if every "quality" Center in the draft is gone in the first 11 picks of the draft.
Joking aside, the Bengals "can" easily draft or sign a center that's an upgrade if they want. It's more their choice of how limiting they want to be that filters out some of the top candidates.
E.g. Waiting until Round 4 or later to draft a center or put a low limit on what you're willing to spend in FA.

(02-04-2018, 10:17 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Blame it on the pussification of actually being allowed to hit and tackle. The rules dictate huge advantage to offense including the hypocrysy of allowing offensive lineman to bust DL heads every play. I miss the days of defensive players having a bigger tackling target area, it is the pussification I referred to because they think they can stop major injuries when like boxing, you allow  2 guys to hit each other with full force injuries will and do happen anyway.

(02-05-2018, 12:35 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: are we sure....  Guys might look like an upgrade but not play like one...  Everyone was glad we replaced cook.  then we got bodine...  be careful what we wish for...

Not every prospect pans out close to their projections.

(02-05-2018, 02:41 PM)lone bengal Wrote: My thing is if the Bengals sign Bodine I’m assuming it will be for starting center money vs backup money. So If theirs a high rated center in the draft let’s say in round two like maybe Price or the kid from Iowa I think the Bengals logic would be were not drafting a center that high because were paying Bodine starting money.

(02-01-2018, 07:06 PM)BengalChris Wrote: It's not the draft picks or the rounds they were selected in that matters. It's whether or not they can play the f'n position.