(02-21-2018, 02:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Kids in our county organized a walkout to promote action on school violence at noon.

Our position was "it's government class, we're not going to tell you not to, but you can still be disciplined by your admin".

The admins seem to be ok with it as long as they can keep it positive. They're directing kids to use only one door and our head of security is in his golf cart keeping kids on school ground and making sure it's not chaos.

(02-21-2018, 02:21 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't want to speak for bfine, but I think what he may have been getting at is the idea that this move was an executive overreach when many saying it is aren't perceived as having had a problem with prior ones. This is why I mention that the article I linked was from a conservative source and discussed my overall position on executive overreach.

(02-21-2018, 12:10 PM)Griever Wrote: but to be fair, thoughts and prayers are useless, meaningless, and without merit

(02-20-2018, 06:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Anyway, firearms on school grounds will get you charged here, but not a knife. And my school wasn't one to hesitate about getting a cop involved. Though Officer Dawkins and I got along pretty well.

Edit: I was bored: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.115.html

So, if you threaten someone with the knife, then it is against he law in Florida. But, possession of a knife in general is not against the law. Box cutters and razor blades are just illegal across the board at schools, but not knives.

(02-21-2018, 02:40 PM)Dill Wrote: So VA schools have changed their policies? In the late 90s any student caught with a knife was expelled.
I don't think this was a state statute, just part of their zero tolerance policy.

I know a man whose son had a boy scout knife in his back pack and was expelled his senior year (2000). Also, it was discovered when he was in a cooking class, so there were knives all around.  This was in the Fairfax district.

(02-21-2018, 02:46 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: But was he charged with a crime? Expulsion is school discipline, but that doesn't mean it was criminal, which is what we were discussing. My school had policies against having a knife on school grounds, but it wouldn't get you charged with a crime if you were caught with one. I graduated high school in 2004, so this was immediately following Columbine which is when a lot of the zero tolerance rules started being put into place. Though I will say that my school policies were definitely not expulsion for a knife. But we are also a bit more rural than Fairfax.

(02-21-2018, 02:53 PM)Dill Wrote: No. That's why I separated school policy from state statutes.  School policies were, at that time, much harsher for some "crimes."  In Fairfax, most of the ZT stuff was in place by 96.  If your school did not expel anyone caught with a "weapon" I would be very surprised. Another incident I remember is that a student in one school had a cardboard sword for a costume and was expelled. I remember people arguing about that online.

Also, at that time, most all schools in the Eastern U.S. honored other schools expulsion policies. So the kid I spoke of could not transfer anywhere else either.

Also, school codes often counted off the school grounds. They were a way of imposing harsh restrictions on children beyond state/federal law.

(02-21-2018, 12:57 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The "assault weapons" bill was a bullshit bill designed to make people feel good about the illusion of action.  You can sprinkle shit on a turd, it doesn't make it a donut.

(02-21-2018, 04:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: "Lethality" was not the only issue.

Quote:The ability to conceal the weapon and to suppress the flash aid in the ability to carry out a mass killing and get away with it.

Quote:I agree that the assault weapons ban was not the answer to the problem, but it was more than just "bullshit".

(02-21-2018, 06:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Apparently "lethality" wasn't even "a" issue, as I illustrated.

(02-21-2018, 06:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It had zero effect on gun violence, say it again, zero.

(02-21-2018, 06:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am pretty sure that limiting the amount of bullets the gun can hold would have an effect on lethality.

(02-21-2018, 06:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have no way of proving that.

Say it again.  No way.

Quote:Little wonder then that a 2004 study commissioned by the Department of Justice found that the federal ban didn't lead to any decrease in gun crime or gun deaths.

(02-21-2018, 07:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-winkler-folly-of-assault-weapon-ban-20151211-story.html

Little wonder then that a 2004 study commissioned by the Department of Justice found that the federal ban didn't lead to any decrease in gun crime or gun deaths.

(02-21-2018, 01:27 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: classic.  can't produce evidence to back up his intolerable ignorance, pulls this crap instead.

why don't you go play kickball and let the adults have a conversation over here.  

(02-21-2018, 01:48 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: How about you just focus on the references?

(02-21-2018, 09:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Even when you are shown cold hard facts you just play your games.

(02-21-2018, 09:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have not presented any cold hard facts.

All you have done is state your own opinion.

(02-21-2018, 09:28 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Been done countless times.   Most recently on the transvestites being mentally ill.  Instead of just acknowledging it and stating he goes with another more politicized Group’s Opinion and we agree to disagree he goes into Post after Post of nonsense.    

Honestly don’t have time for breech’s games.    VD just tosses in some snark which is cool.   He’s alright.