(02-22-2018, 01:25 PM)Wyche Wrote: That is true.....but take the Colorado movie shooter....he meticulously planned the shooting, AND making bombs/boobie traps.  I think we need to have tougher screening, waiting periods, safety courses for neophytes, (I took hunter safety in middle school) for standard arms.  Anything construed as "military grade" needs to have even more stringent screening and evaluation.  For example.....I like the idea of going to certain gun ranges and being able to fire off a fully automatic weapon for fun/blowing off steam, but that doesn't mean I need or want one in my home.  Enthusiasts may want a modded AR, and that's fine with me too, but they need to pass a more rigorous background check and waiting period in my opinion.  

What I don't want is a total ban.

(02-22-2018, 01:53 PM)Millhouse Wrote: And to go on that, even banning military grade weapons (which I am in favor of), wouldn't have helped the victims from the Virginia Tech mass shooting.

Its what I said earlier that an approach needs to be taken from multiple angles which includes bans of ARs, tougher background checks, crack down on shady gun show dealers, mental illnesses, tougher border security, and make it easier for law enforcement to get warrants for searches and raids based off of tips. And so-on and so-on..

But here is what I am not a fan of seeing, students marching out of class to see action taken. Because if they are going to protest guns, why in the world are they not going to protest smart phones that are responsible for countless more teen deaths a year via texting and driving.

(02-22-2018, 12:01 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The data you're citing is severely flawed. They argue that military bases are "gun free zones" and consider private homes to be them too. Other research has shown that only 13% of mass shootings have occurred in "gun free zones".

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/feb/21/richard-corcoran/do-most-mass-shootings-happen-gun-free-zones/

Like Matt said, being armed doesn't stop the shootings from occurring, you just hope that you can minimize the death toll.

(02-22-2018, 01:54 PM)Benton Wrote: Pretty much my stance. Expand background checks (and nobody gets one without a check), mandatory waiting periods. And I've been advocating the bold for a while. 

(02-22-2018, 11:30 AM)GMDino Wrote: Is Florida now the tipping point?

Have americans REALLY had enough to stay focused long enough to get REAL change?

I don't know yet.

But if a group of rubes can get so riled up over gay wedding cakes and men who wear dresses they will elect a "man" like Trump maybe our kids getting killed will rile up the rest of us to elect people who will work at actually protecting them.

Quote:NRA's Wayne LaPierre at CPAC: Gun Control Advocates Are Exploiting the Florida School Shooting Tragedy

Updated: February 22, 2018 11:25 AM ET

Wayne LaPierre, the National Rifle Association’s Executive Vice President, told the Conservative Political Action Conference Thursday that politicians and the media are exploiting the Florida school shooting to expand gun control and ultimately abolish the second amendment, striking a defiant tone in his first public remarks since the mass shooting that killed 17 people and reignited the gun control debate in the U.S. to a fever pitch.

“As usual, the opportunists waited not one second to exploit tragedy for political gain,” LaPierre said during CPAC, the annual gathering of conservative activists and Republican leaders in National Harbor, Md. “Chris Murphy, Nancy Pelosi, and more, cheered on by the national media, eager to blame the NRA and call for more government control.”

“They hate the NRA,” LaPierre said.”The elites don’t care one wit about school children. If they truly cared, they would protect them.”

Although LaPierre spoke at CPAC, his name was not on the public schedule and his speaking slot details had not been finalized—at least publicly— as of Wednesday afternoon. The Washington Examiner reported that CPAC organizers had left LaPierre’s name off the speakers’ list following last week’s shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., and NRA officials were not providing details as of Thursday morning.

“It’s not a safety issue, it’s a political issue,” LaPierre said. “They care more about control. Their goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms so they can eliminate all individual freedoms.”

“They don’t care if their laws work or not,” he added. They just want get more laws to get more control over people. But the NRA, the NRA does care.”

Five years ago, in the aftermath of the shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., the NRA responded by urging more armed security at schools, a similar tack to Trump’s suggestion Wednesday at a listening session for school shooting survivors at the
White House, and again Thursday morning in a series of Twitter posts.

Quote:[/url]Donald J. Trump

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I never said “give teachers guns” like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to
7:26 AM - Feb 22, 2018

Quote:Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump

....immediately fire back if a savage sicko came to a school with bad intentions. Highly trained teachers would also serve as a deterrent to the cowards that do this. Far more assets at much less cost than guards. A “gun free” school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END!
7:40 AM - Feb 22, 2018

Quote:Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump

....History shows that a school shooting lasts, on average, 3 minutes. It takes police & first responders approximately 5 to 8 minutes to get to site of crime. Highly trained, gun adept, teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantly, before police arrive. GREAT DETERRENT!
7:54 AM - Feb 22, 2018

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump]Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump

....If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there...problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!
8:05 AM - Feb 22, 2018

LaPierre had similar words of advice on Thursday, urging people interested in investing in school security to look up the NRA’s School Shield program, rhetoric that was similar to his speech at CPAC in 2013, a few months after the Newtown shooting.

“To protect our children at school, we recommend a trained professional with a gun. They recommend scissors. And they say we’re crazy? That’s sheer madness,” LaPierre said at the time. “Here’s what the political elites offer instead — a placebo called ‘universal’ background checks.”

He concluded this year’s speech by reiterating the advice he provided in the wake of Newtown five years ago: “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

This time though, the speech was not just about guns and the Second Amendment. LaPierre used the opportunity to critique other facets of government and society — everything from leaks in the intelligence community to alleged bias in the media to universities that he said were spearheading a socialist revolution by emphasizing the teachings of Karl Marx. At one point, he said the country was trending toward a “growing socialist state.” And at times, particularly when he was discussing the media and the FBI, his tone and rhetoric sounded remarkably similar to President Trump’s.

“Some people think the NRA should just stick to its Second Amendment agenda and not talk about all of our freedoms,” LaPierre said.
“But real freedom requires the protection of all of our rights. And a Second Amendment isn’t worth its own words in a country where all individual freedoms are destroyed.”

LaPierre was preceded on Thursday by NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch, who was at CPAC just hours after appearing on a CNN town hall on gun violence with survivors and families of victims of the Florida shooting. Loesch, who said she had to be escorted out by security after the event, also criticized media’s coverage of mass shootings, noting that the focus often intensified when the victims were wealthy and white.

“Many in legacy media love mass shootings,” Loesch said. “I’m not saying you love the tragedy. But you love the ratings.”

(02-22-2018, 01:56 PM)Griever Wrote: states like florida need to make it illegal for selling guns outside of stores. I shouldnt be able to go to a makeshift flea market in a field 20 minutes from my house and buy guns

(02-22-2018, 02:02 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No.   And do not take what is happening in Miami/Fort Lauderdale as reflecting what will actually happen In Florida.    Those people are out of touch with the majority of the rest of the state.    

What will end up happening is the sheriff departments will get tougher and they will be doing more to work with the schools.   I wouldnt be surprised if we didn’t start seeing detail officers.  

This won’t change anything nationally because neither party is willing to seize guns.   Democrats want to but know they can’t or face a backlash.    Same with voting for more security for schools.....  if they do this they can grandstand when another shooting happens.     This is as much about fundraising for the political interests than the immmogration issue.  

Gop should be working to secure schools but they also love to fundraiser off the democrats grandstanding.    

It’s a joke.

(02-22-2018, 02:03 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Absolutely. The whole process of buying guns needs to be better regulated and at the minimum on par with the difficulty of getting a driver's licence.

(02-22-2018, 02:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes, that post is a joke.

(02-22-2018, 02:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then why have every democrat fought against securing the schools with security or even arming teachers or staff?     The only talk we here is banning guns.    Like it or not but we will never ban guns.  

We can secure the schools.   If we can secure an airport we can secure a school.

(02-22-2018, 02:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: Go back and read the vast majority of the posts in this thread.

We are discussing lots of different things.

For the most part it has remained not a Democrat vs Republican issue.  

In fact I'd say most of us (even me) have tried to purposefully NOT make that the central issue.

A school is not an airport.  I certainly don't want it to be a prison either.

One school can have a single entrance.  Another can have multiple building with open air courtyards.

And this isn't just school shootings.  It's gun violence overall.

(02-22-2018, 02:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The only talk we here is banning guns. Like it or not but we will never ban guns.

(02-22-2018, 01:53 PM)Millhouse Wrote: And to go on that, even banning military grade weapons (which I am in favor of), wouldn't have helped the victims from the Virginia Tech mass shooting.

Its what I said earlier that an approach needs to be taken from multiple angles which includes bans of ARs, tougher background checks, crack down on shady gun show dealers, mental illnesses, tougher border security, and make it easier for law enforcement to get warrants for searches and raids based off of tips. And so-on and so-on..

But here is what I am not a fan of seeing, students marching out of class to see action taken. Because if they are going to protest guns, why in the world are they not going to protest smart phones that are responsible for countless more teen deaths a year via texting and driving.

(02-22-2018, 02:14 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Stop it. This is an outright lie. You keep repeating it and it is patently false.

(02-22-2018, 02:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am speaking about the law makers.  Not the people on the board.  

If it were up to a lot in here we would probably have all our guns seized.

(02-22-2018, 02:15 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Absolutely well stated on many fronts Millhouse.  Great post.  See, I'm not 100% onboard with a total AR ban (but tougher restrictions on them as I noted), but if that's what it takes to get a compromise done, and actual action taken....then so be it.  There must be give and take.

(02-22-2018, 01:54 PM)Benton Wrote: Pretty much my stance. Expand background checks (and nobody gets one without a check), mandatory waiting periods. And I've been advocating the bold for a while. 

(02-22-2018, 02:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm aware.  We are trying to go beyond the partisanship.

And your second sentence is so wrong there probably isn't a word in the English language to describe how wrong it is.  Maybe any language.  It show either a lack of reading and comprehension, pure partisanship, or really bad trolling.  I won't pass judgement and try to determine which it is.  But it is wrong.

(02-22-2018, 02:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Just saw a CNN guest this morning going on about banning the AR-15.