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We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 But if you were ever convicted of anything and turned your life around and even if you served this country we HAVE to go by the letter of the law and kick you out of the country because you didn't do some paperwork. What a ****** up time we live in. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-army-veteran-miguel-perez-deported-to-mexico/ Quote:A United States Army veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan has been deported to Mexico, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said. The deportation comes more than a week after Miguel Perez was denied U.S. citizenship because of a 2008 drug conviction. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - bfine32 - 03-28-2018 Not sure what this has to do with Christian forgiveness RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 12:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not sure what this has to do with Christian forgiveness Huh...thought you were a Christian. My bad. The man did his time. He admitted his fault. He bettered his life. And the country he signed up to defended dropped a steaming pile of #2 on his head and life because of one indiscretion. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - bfine32 - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 12:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: Huh...thought you were a Christian. My bad. No need to apologize. Christian forgiveness has nothing to do with the law of man. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 12:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No need to apologize. Christian forgiveness has nothing to do with the law of man. Sure it does...in a Christian nation. Right? But since you don't understand the concept I'll let it pass. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Nately120 - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 12:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No need to apologize. Christian forgiveness has nothing to do with the law of man. That would explain why it's so damn attractive to people. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 Gotta go with bfine. Don't know what Christianity has to do with it. I have mixed feelings on this particular case, but of course the thread has already been poisoned. ' RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 01:29 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Gotta go with bfine. Don't know what Christianity has to do with it. I have mixed feelings on this particular case, but of course the thread has already been poisoned. Weird...I thought this Christian Nation was about forgiveness. I guess I was wrong about the number of Christians in this country who believed we should take care of each other and forgive those who have sinned. Apparently it means kick them out of the country. I mean unless they had multiple affairs and are habitual liars. Then we have to pray they will change. My bad, again. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 01:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: Weird...I thought this Christian Nation was about forgiveness. I guess I was wrong about the number of Christians in this country who believed we should take care of each other and forgive those who have sinned. So you're OK with someone in the government saying, "As a Christian I can't deport this man". And what does the whole country have to do with it? It's a board that reviews each deportation order. But throwing in the part about a citizen didn't commit any crimes really clears the waters. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - StLucieBengal - 03-28-2018 On the actual immigration issue. They mentioned they have discretion and took a long look at the case before deciding to deport him. Drug charges plus a prison sentence outweighs his service. Plus his ability to find a job as a convicted felon puts his chances of success lower than the typical immigrant. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Griever - 03-28-2018 we all know christians cherry pick the bible...if they didnt, they would have to be ok with foreigners in the US (legal status doesnt matter either) Leviticus 19:33-34 New Living Translation (NLT) 33 “Do not take advantage of foreigners who live among you in your land. 34 Treat them like native-born Israelites, and love them as you love yourself. Remember that you were once foreigners living in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 01:59 PM)Griever Wrote: we all know christians cherry pick the bible...if they didnt, they would have to be ok with foreigners in the US (legal status doesnt matter either) So I'm confused. Do you want us to base our laws on Christianity or no? The fact that they are not seems to bother you. There may be a lot of Christians who think exactly this. Is that how you want us to make decisions, or are you just cherry picking what you want Christians to be outraged about? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 We have leaders who claim that we are a Christian Nation. Leaders who base their interpretations of law on their religious beliefs and who claim we need God (the Christian one) back in our country. At the same time they refuse to forgive those who broke laws and served their punishment. If one arrest and jail time "outweighs" signing up to serve this country we have lost all meaning of what "christian" means. Not that I didn't know that already...but pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of those who continue to claim it is what I do. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: We have leaders who claim that we are a Christian Nation. Leaders who base their interpretations of law on their religious beliefs and who claim we need God (the Christian one) back in our country. Forgiven does not mean without consequence, and what exactly would you like some elected representative to do? I know you want to get a jab in, and that's fine, and usually I get the jab, but this one makes no sense. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Belsnickel - 03-28-2018 Yeah, the whole thread title thing is unnecessary. It's clickbait and trolling. As for the article, I have mixed feelings. He has a drug conviction. On the other hand, had he gotten the help he needed for PTSD he may not have self-medicated. I have mixed feelings on the issue overall. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, the whole thread title thing is unnecessary. It's clickbait and trolling. Yeah it's a tough one. I don't know that PTSD comes into play when deciding to deliver cocaine, but he did serve two tours. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, the whole thread title thing is unnecessary. It's clickbait and trolling. Not one bit. That is exactly what Trump supporters have said about him. It is something that is part of the national conversation of us as a Christian Nation and part of how the evangelicals continue to justify their support of Trump. (03-28-2018, 02:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: As for the article, I have mixed feelings. He has a drug conviction. On the other hand, had he gotten the help he needed for PTSD he may not have self-medicated. I have mixed feelings on the issue overall. And the kind of Christian forgiveness we should be showing this man versus the mania for making sure we kick out the low hanging fruit rather than those who truly are not serving a purpose being here. It is, as some have phrased, a no brainer. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - StLucieBengal - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, the whole thread title thing is unnecessary. It's clickbait and trolling. Had we been aggressively enforcing the immigration policy none of these people would have fallen through the cracks to the point these hard decisions must be made. The benefit of aggressive enforcement is people try and find the way to get right who are makes an honest effort to get right. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Griever - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:03 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So I'm confused. Do you want us to base our laws on Christianity or no? The fact that they are not seems to bother you. There may be a lot of Christians who think exactly this. Is that how you want us to make decisions, or are you just cherry picking what you want Christians to be outraged about? nope, christianity (religion in general) has no place in the political spectrum just that we have people who claim christianity, that the country are founded on christian principles, but then ignore parts of the bible that go against how they feel about a certain type of people just pointing out the hypocrisy of folks RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: Not one bit. That is exactly what Trump supporters have said about him. It is something that is part of the national conversation of us as a Christian Nation and part of how the evangelicals continue to justify their support of Trump. There is no law involved in whether you forgive Trump or not. Every last one of us can forgive the soldier, and it doesn't change a thing. |