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Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - StLucieBengal - 04-04-2018 https://www.dailywire.com/news/29076/kushners-big-win-saudi-prince-recognizes-israels-ben-shapiro Big win for Trump admin and Kushner. Seems an alliance is forming to thwart Iran. Nice to see. Quote:KUSHNER’S BIG WIN: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - michaelsean - 04-04-2018 I don’t trust anything that weasel Kushner is involved in. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - SunsetBengal - 04-04-2018 Seems like a trap of some sort. I wonder if Iran is cool with it? RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - THE Bigzoman - 04-04-2018 (04-04-2018, 10:07 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Seems like a trap of some sort. I wonder if Iran is cool with it? Or a large portion of the Muslim population in the Middle East. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-05-2018 (04-04-2018, 09:11 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don’t trust anything that weasel Kushner is involved in. Nothing in that article establishes that Kushner is behind anything. A new, yournger, western educated leader is making a wide range of changes in Saudi Arabia at the moment--for his own reasons. There is no objective indication that any of this is Kushner's doing, if the recognition of Israel becomes official. And it is far too soon to judge whether that recognition will have positive consequences for the Middle East and the US. The only record we have so far of Kushner's ME performance is his support for the absurd embargo on our ally, Qatar, home to the largest US Airbase in the ME. And if he "brokered" the move of the US embassy to Jerusalem by going around the US secretary of state, that is hardly a positive. What would it say about the organization of an NFL team if we learned that the defensive line coach (hired though he had never actually played football or coached before) signed a 2nd round pick by going around the general manager? RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-05-2018 (04-04-2018, 07:40 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: https://www.dailywire.com/news/29076/kushners-big-win-saudi-prince-recognizes-israels-ben-shapiro You know about the Daily Wire, but do you know anything about Ben Shapiro, Lucy? RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - StLucieBengal - 04-05-2018 (04-05-2018, 10:50 AM)Dill Wrote: You know about the Daily Wire, but do you know anything about Ben Shapiro, Lucy? I do. This is a story from the atlantic RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - fredtoast - 04-05-2018 (04-05-2018, 10:50 AM)Dill Wrote: You know about the Daily Wire, but do you know anything about Ben Shapiro, Lucy? (04-05-2018, 11:56 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I do. Actually you just proved that you do not. The interview in The Atlantic was brilliant. Goldberg asked some very pointed questions and MbS is a master at rhetoric. But the Prince did not once mention Kushner or Trump. Obviously the Prince would agree with anyone who wants to oppose Iran (see: Israel) but here is what he said when asked if Trump understood the Iranian situation better than Obama. Goldberg: I’m curious about Donald Trump and Barack Obama on this issue. It seems you think Donald Trump has a better understanding of this issue than Barack Obama. MbS: Both of them understand it. I believe that President Obama had different tactics. President Obama believed that if he gave Iran opportunities to open up, it would change. But with a regime based on this ideology, it will not open up soon. Not a single word of praise for Trump or Kushner. Also when Shapiro made this comment "Kushner’s efforts on that front may have helped undercut the possibility of serious Arab violence in the wake of the Trump Administration’s decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem in Israel. Kushner reportedly brokered that outcome by working around Rex Tillerson’s State Department." Who did you think he "brokered" a deal between? Kushner went around Tillerson to get his wife's dad to agree with him on moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Jared's "efforts" had zero influence on how the Arabs reacted. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-05-2018 (04-05-2018, 08:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Who did you think he "brokered" a deal between? Kushner went around Tillerson to get his wife's dad to agree with him on moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Jared's "efforts" had zero influence on how the Arabs reacted. This. Shapiro was just trying to frame Kushner into a narrative of effective, behind-the-scenes Middle East diplomacy. Trump supporters only need a few vaguely associated events connected by Kushner's name and he's accomplished his mission. LOL "win for Kushner." RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - StLucieBengal - 04-06-2018 (04-05-2018, 11:37 PM)Dill Wrote: This. That’s odd because he blasts Kushner on a fairly regular basis on his podcast. So I doubt he is a. Kushner or trump shill. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-06-2018 (04-06-2018, 02:06 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: That’s odd because he blasts Kushner on a fairly regular basis on his podcast. So I doubt he is a. Kushner or trump shill. And yet--a win for Kushner. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - StLucieBengal - 04-06-2018 (04-06-2018, 02:40 AM)Dill Wrote: And yet--a win for Kushner. Since his “issue” from the beginning of the administration has been ME relations, yes he gets acknowledged when positive steps are made... RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Belsnickel - 04-06-2018 Really, this is just MBS. He has been working on being better with Israel for years. I just wish he would clean up their act on human rights, issues. Then I could get on board with him. He is making some very surface level reforms but isn't getting at the deep problems in the Saudi state. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-06-2018 (04-06-2018, 10:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Since his “issue” from the beginning of the administration has been ME relations, yes he gets acknowledged when positive steps are made... ... and apparently whether he has an actual hand in making them or not. Did he have a role in the Qatar embargo? They turned down his loan, remember. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - bfine32 - 04-06-2018 (04-05-2018, 10:44 AM)Dill Wrote: Nothing in that article establishes that Kushner is behind anything.Where did MbS obtain this western education RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - StLucieBengal - 04-06-2018 (04-06-2018, 07:33 PM)Dill Wrote: ... and apparently whether he has an actual hand in making them or not. Qatar is a terrible place. I do not care about whatever base we have there, they enslave foreign workers, as far as I am concerned they are scum. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-06-2018 (04-06-2018, 11:22 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Qatar is a terrible place. I do not care about whatever base we have there, they enslave foreign workers, as far as I am concerned they are scum. Jeezus. What a rationalization for Kushner's misuse of office. Americans "enslave" foreign workers too. Are we all "scum"?? The base is a key to the US ability to project power in the Middle East--e.g., to bomb Isis in Syria or check Iran. The bombing missions in Afghanistan fly from Qatar. Most of those enslaved workers come from "shithole" countries. The US presence in Qatar brings pressure to address human rights violations. If I remember correctly, you wouldn't want those workers coming to the US. But if Qatar treats them badly they are scum??? RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - bfine32 - 04-07-2018 (04-06-2018, 11:36 PM)Dill Wrote: Jeezus. What a rationalization for Kushner's misuse of office. Where did MBS obtain his western education? Comparing the US to Qatar IRT foreign workers tells all I need to know about your assessments. RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - Dill - 04-07-2018 (04-07-2018, 12:07 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Where did MBS obtain his western education? Something in my post triggered a grand, satisfied, but inarticulate judgment. What exactly are you agreeing and disagreeing with? You don't care if we have base in Qatar so its ok if Kushner generates an embargo while 11,000 US service members are there? Who is MBS? What is an IRT foreign worker? You don't think there enslaved workers in the US? You thought the point of my post was to compare Qatar to the US and free-associated from there? RE: Saudi Prince Recognizes Israel’s Right To Exist - bfine32 - 04-07-2018 (04-07-2018, 12:27 AM)Dill Wrote: Something in my post triggered a grand, satisfied, but inarticulate judgment. Dude you asked 5 questions without answering my one. Let's try this: You answer my 1 and I will entertain your 5. |