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Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - BmorePat87 - 08-19-2015 https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html I'm not going to use the "Trump says 14th amendment is unconstitutional" title that many news outlets have. I didn't actually see him say that. Trump challenged whether or not the 14th amendment gives citizenship to the children of illegal aliens in the United States while being interviewed by O'Reilly. Quote:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside There's a camp who says that "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means that the parents have to be subject to US laws and not foreign citizens. Conventional understanding is that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" would apply to illegal immigrants as they are still subject to US laws when they come here. It would not apply to the children born to diplomats as they are not subject to our laws in the same sense. Trump thinks his interpretation will be upheld in court. Very interesting. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - GMDino - 08-19-2015 (08-19-2015, 02:17 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html That because Trump is smarter than anyone and everyone ever and everyone else is just a loser. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - BFritz21 - 08-19-2015 I'm actually liking Trump on this issue and agree that the Amendment is wrong. The Amendment was passed in the 1800s in an attempt to give the newly freed former-slaves citizenship, not so that people come here illegally, have babies, and gain all of the benefits and advantages that American citizens are awarded. I do think that he'll lose a lot of the minority vote, especially Latinos, but I think that's wrong because, and I was thinking this when I saw Latino people posting it on Facebook, what's wrong with making people follow the laws to become citizens and enjoy all of the freedoms and benefits that our country provides? People here already are working, paying taxes, and following laws to provide people with benefits (not just immigrants), so why wouldn't Latinos have to follow the laws and policies of the country to be awarded the money that those who are following them are forced to provide under the laws and policies? RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Mike M (the other one) - 08-19-2015 I can get behind that. Anything that slows the rate and starts taking away the incentives to come here. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Belsnickel - 08-19-2015 If Trump is in the camp that the 14th is being misapplied, then he will lose. I can't disagree with the notion that we need to look at the amendment and maybe think of doing another to adjust. But as it stands, the law states what it states. Now, we could get onto he spirit vs. letter of the law, but that argument could go on forever and we would be better served looking for a new amendment to adjust for today's needs. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - BonnieBengal - 08-20-2015 (08-19-2015, 07:46 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I'm actually liking Trump on this issue and agree that the Amendment is wrong. Yes, only children of LEGAL immigrants or U.S. residents should be citizens. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - michaelsean - 08-20-2015 I always think that if you are born here, you are a citizen. But that doesn't mean your parents get an automatic pass to stay here. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - GMDino - 08-20-2015 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/birthright-citizenship-famous-people_55d5e712e4b055a6dab31447?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 Quote:Without Birthright Citizenship, We'd Be Missing These Great Americans RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-20-2015 (08-19-2015, 08:21 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I can get behind that. Anything that slows the rate and starts taking away the incentives to come here. This is easily fixable and enactable tomorrow. Simply fine businesses that employ illegals 10k a day, or more, per illegal employed and start actually enforcing it. It would only take a few businesses getting hammered for businesses to cease employing illegals entirely. with no economic incentive to stay they would leave. now ask yourself why this hasn't been done. Hint: the answer isn't just, "because Democrats". RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Brownshoe - 08-20-2015 Eh, honestly I don't think that kids of illegals should be citizens. I think that we should be forcing illegals out of the country. I think that they should make the penalty for coming here illegally would be to not be able to come here legally any longer for a certain amount of time. I don't care if they come here just as long as it's legally. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-21-2015 (08-20-2015, 11:25 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Eh, honestly I don't think that kids of illegals should be citizens. I think that we should be forcing illegals out of the country. I think that they should make the penalty for coming here illegally would be to not be able to come here legally any longer for a certain amount of time. I don't care if they come here just as long as it's legally. I agree that coming here legally is the better option, however I understand why so many come illegally. The process should not be as nearly restrictive IMO. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Belsnickel - 08-21-2015 (08-20-2015, 10:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/birthright-citizenship-famous-people_55d5e712e4b055a6dab31447?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 Are you trying to sway people to be for, or against birthright citizenship with this. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - GMDino - 08-21-2015 (08-21-2015, 07:32 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Are you trying to sway people to be for, or against birthright citizenship with this. Yes. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Au165 - 08-21-2015 Not saying I am for or against the idea, but they are going to have to rewrite the amendment if they don't like it. I think anyone would be hard pressed to interpret it any other way at this point. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - michaelsean - 08-21-2015 Since we like to base what we do on what every other country in the industrialized world does, what are their positions on it in their countries? RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - jakefromstatefarm - 08-21-2015 (08-21-2015, 10:51 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Since we like to base what we do on what every other country in the industrialized world does, what are their positions on it in their countries? Well Mexico, for example, sends government delegates to our state governments that actually enforce immigration laws and cry about how their poor government can't afford to take care of the people that we sent back for being here illegally. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - michaelsean - 08-24-2015 (08-21-2015, 10:27 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Well Mexico, for example, sends government delegates to our state governments that actually enforce immigration laws and cry about how their poor government can't afford to take care of the people that we sent back for being here illegally. Best I can tell, it's Canada. So all the liberals who want to base what we do on what the rest of the industrialized nations do need to try to get rid of birthright citizenship. Me, who doesn't care what any other country does, can continue to support it. RE: Trump challenges the 14th Amendment - Mike M (the other one) - 08-24-2015 (08-20-2015, 10:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/birthright-citizenship-famous-people_55d5e712e4b055a6dab31447?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 Because of the opportunities they were given they were able to rise up, now the flip side, is that they prevented someone else that was here legally from reaching that status. We could go back and forth all day, point is they're parents came here illegally and they should not automatically be giving USC just because they were born here. File the paperwork do it the right way and no one would have a beef with their status. Doing is the right way is not impossible, and even easier if you have someone here that is willing to support you. |