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Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - GMDino - 08-08-2018 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/missouri-voters-overturn-right-to-work-law-by-referendum_us_5b69b189e4b0b15abaa751fb Quote:Labor groups won a landmark victory Tuesday as Missourians voted by referendum to overturn the state’s new right-to-work law, an embarrassing rejection for the state’s Republican lawmakers. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 How does this line up with the SC decision? RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - Benton - 08-08-2018 Good to hear. Hopefully other states will start reversing the direction. Should help improve wages. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - wildcats forever - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 04:02 PM)Benton Wrote: Good to hear. Hopefully other states will start reversing the direction. Should help improve wages. Agreed plus increase apprenticeship programs. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 I know the arguments against right to work, but I'm still for it. I don't see how a third party gets to decide your conditions of employment. Now if the employer makes it a condition of your employment then I have no problem. Perhaps that can be agreed on in collective bargaining. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - Benton - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 05:31 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I know the arguments against right to work, but I'm still for it. I don't see how a third party gets to decide your conditions of employment. Now if the employer makes it a condition of your employment then I have no problem. Perhaps that can be agreed on in collective bargaining. Uh... who is going to collectively bargain? A group of employees? Because I think you just talked yourself into unionizing! ![]() In my experiences, right to work is one of those times where people hear the carefully selected term coming from a political party they favor and go “yeah, I think everyone should be able to work! Damn liberals!” Then they find out that it takes away some of the rights of workers and it doesn’t seem as good of an idea. Or they find out states with right to work typically have lower wages in those industries and it’s not as good of an idea. Edit to add: there really isn’t a third party. There can be, if a side brings in an arbitrator. But it’s still just somebody representing the group (either group of workers or group of shareholders). RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - bfine32 - 08-08-2018 So does this mean a worker has the right not to join/be represented by the union or is he/she forced to pay union dues? RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 06:07 PM)Benton Wrote: Uh... who is going to collectively bargain? A group of employees? I understand who does the collective bargaining and if the employer and union agree to make it a stipulation of employment during collective bargaining then I’m ok with it. Of course there’s a third party. There’s me, the employer, and the group of employees who make up the union. I think people should be able to organize and try for what they want, but the government shouldn’t give them a special privilege to declare that if I want to work for a company I have to give their group money. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - Belsnickel - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 10:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: How does this line up with the SC decision? The SCOTUS decision was regarding public sector unions, which are a bit of a different beast than private sector. (08-08-2018, 06:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So does this mean a worker has the right not to join/be represented by the union or is he/she forced to pay union dues? This means that a worker can be forced to pay union dues in a union shop. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - Yojimbo - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 07:44 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The SCOTUS decision was regarding public sector unions, which are a bit of a different beast than private sector. As a condition of employment and if they don’t like it, they can go work somewhere else ![]() RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - Belsnickel - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:08 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: As a condition of employment and if they don’t like it, they can go work somewhere else It's the free market! ![]() RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It's the free market! It’s the exact opposite of a free market. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:08 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: As a condition of employment and if they don’t like it, they can go work somewhere else Except it’s a condition of employment dictated by a third party with the backing of the government. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - bfine32 - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:08 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: As a condition of employment and if they don’t like it, they can go work somewhere else Sucks having to pay the man for the right to work RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sucks having to pay the man for the right to work Almost like having to go to the company store. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - bfine32 - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:35 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Almost like having to go to the company store. I'll freely admit my experience in private sector unions is quite dated. Back before I joined the Military I worked at Rainbow Bread (they had a bakery in Cincy back then); there was no question on how things worked. You joined the union, paid you dues, and did as you were instructed. We didn't have the option of washing our own uniforms, we had to use and pay for the cleaners service. Given I was an ignorant kid and simply did as I was told. As I have matured there just seems something very perverse about the procedure. Unions might be the best thing in the world; I just can't go with the mandatory payment rule. Why don't I get to decide? It's like you're telling me I'm not smart enough to make my own choice. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - michaelsean - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll freely admit my experience in private sector unions is quite dated. Back before I joined the Military I worked at Rainbow Bread (they had a bakery in Cincy back then); there was no question on how things worked. You joined the union, paid you dues, and did as you were instructed. We didn't have the option of washing our own uniforms, we had to use and pay for the cleaners service. I believe that’s where my grandfather wotlrked most of his life and he was born in like 1909. Even after he retired he was up by 4:00 am. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - SunsetBengal - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll freely admit my experience in private sector unions is quite dated. Back before I joined the Military I worked at Rainbow Bread (they had a bakery in Cincy back then); there was no question on how things worked. You joined the union, paid you dues, and did as you were instructed. We didn't have the option of washing our own uniforms, we had to use and pay for the cleaners service. As long as you know what the deal is, heading into a situation, you always have a choice. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - bfine32 - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 09:30 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: As long as you know what the deal is, heading into a situation, you always have a choice. Really not much of a choice. Give these folks part of your money or don't work. But yeah, I suppose you have a choice unless of course unions are mandatory or start out in a managerial role. As I said, I see the requirement to pay to work to be perverse. RE: Missouri Voters Overturn Right-To-Work Measure - Belsnickel - 08-08-2018 (08-08-2018, 08:24 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It’s the exact opposite of a free market. Not really. you have the choice to work there or not. You have the choice to buy from a union shop or not. The government isn't mandating union shops, it's giving the people and the businesses the option, which is a free market situation. |