(02-12-2019, 06:13 PM)Okeana Wrote: oh here we go lmao!  wiki a dude and know his life story.

(02-12-2019, 06:17 PM)Okeana Wrote: What someone did when they were a teenager should not be held over their head when their a grown man who hasn't repeated that behavior.  This guy grew up in a different culture and environment that lead him to make a bad decision.  I remember growing up and the whole world was about people redeeming themselves and second chances... Not today.

(02-12-2019, 02:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: We sure could have used taking Jaylon Smith and redshirting him right about now.

(02-12-2019, 08:11 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: We could have.

But we would have had to take Jaylon Smith over WJIII in that scenario.

And have WJIII be a Steeler.

(02-12-2019, 04:10 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Yeah, but Tyron Smith didn't come in injured.

I'm not against taking the right guy who has to red shirt. I am against drafting for the future by taking a injured guy when there are guys there on the board who would start this year. Too many holes on this team.

(02-12-2019, 08:07 PM)Whatever Wrote: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a chance to play in the NFL or that his incident should define him forever, but it hasn't even been three years since this incident.  That isn't enough time to determine if this was simply a horrible mistake that was completely out of character or a pattern of behavior.

Every team in the NFL rolls the dice on guys with character flags.  I was in support of us giving Mixon a shot.  However, taking two guys that have been caught on video beating up women in such a close time span in today's political climate is going to be a PR disaster.  We are already the NFL's whipping boy for thugs and criminals, rightly or wrongly.  The Simmons video is way worse than the Mixon video, and they are going to get played side by side if we draft him and both will get drug up again and again if/when either one of them screws up.  Is that really fair to either?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHJR3x_pCY

(02-13-2019, 10:52 PM)Jpoore Wrote: The point is are the guys that are there better than Simmons or even? I think not. Simmons would be a top 5 pick if not for the abuse issue. Even if they're hurt next year their production over a 10 year period is estimated to be substantially better than someone who is healthy this year, u take them.

(02-14-2019, 03:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That's not really your call to make. It might not be enough time for you, but it might be enough for someone else.

(02-14-2019, 12:11 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: If the Bengals didn't have sooooo many needs, I could see taking him in the 2nd. But with the new coaching staff and the possibility of switching to a 3-4, we need guys in rounds 1-3 that can play now.

(02-14-2019, 03:23 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Not if the team/organization determines they won't be able to build a good enough team to confidently win now. Unless the Bengals bring in at least a couple clear upgrades in FA, they won't simply become contenders again by a single draft.

(02-14-2019, 04:24 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: I get what you're saying, but if they are willing to mortgage this year under your scenario, I'd rather they just blow up the team and trade our veterans with value ala the Browns from a few years ago. Geno, Dunlap, and Green don't have many good years left.

(02-14-2019, 04:28 PM)Au165 Wrote: Using a 2nd round pick isn't mortgaging the year. The Chiefs used a 1st to get Mahomes knowing full well they'd sit him all year. They still had a good year making the playoffs.

(02-14-2019, 04:39 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: Please read ocho's quote I was referring to. He gave a scenario where the Bengals didn't think they could win this year. 

And to be fair, the Chiefs were 12-4 going into that draft and were certainly more talented than the Bengals are now. 

(02-14-2019, 04:44 PM)Au165 Wrote: Sure, but normally you'd take that draft as a chance to push you to a SB when you are 12-4 but instead they doubled down on the future instead of getting a defensive player they badly needed. They even on the cusp of success planned for the future. The Patriots have done it for years using 2nd round picks on back ups to Brady just in case he chose to retire or regressed instead of investing in immediate needs.

(02-14-2019, 05:05 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: Yeah, I want the Bengals to draft like KC and NE too. Count me in. 

(02-14-2019, 05:12 PM)Au165 Wrote: Then you are good with taking players who may not play this year knowing it will pay off in the future. Eagles also did this with CB Sidney Jones after he got hurt in the pre draft process. You take value when you see value because needs can kind of ebb and flow.

(02-14-2019, 04:24 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: I get what you're saying, but if they are willing to mortgage this year under your scenario, I'd rather they just blow up the team and trade our veterans with value ala the Browns from a few years ago. Geno, Dunlap, and Green don't have many good years left.

(02-14-2019, 05:36 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: I'm not even sure what you are arguing here. Yes, draft like playoff teams. Yes, draft for the future.

You were replying offtopic to my point that the window for Geno, Dunlap, and Green is closing. If you want to be competitive during their window, you need to draft players that don't need redshirt year. If you don't think you can be competitive soon. Blow it up, trade veterans and yes, draft players for a few years from now, not just immediately. 

(02-14-2019, 06:15 PM)Au165 Wrote: You’re saying either draft to win now or blow it up. I’m saying you can draft for the future and still be attempting to win now. While those teams were winning they still had pieces they could have used to get over the jump but instead chose to draft value for the future and by pass on needs currently.