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US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - GMDino - 04-09-2019 First time this has ever been done. I fear Bolton's woody for Iran might be more dangerous than Trump's aversion to brown people. https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-labels-elite-iran-force-a-foreign-terrorist-organization Quote:The United States on Monday designated Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization, an unprecedented declaration against a foreign government that may prompt retaliation and make it harder for American diplomats and military officers to work with allies in the region. Further reading makes it seem like people with experience and sense were against this but Bolton and Donald "Give me a quickie so I can make s snap decision" Trump went ahead with it anyway. More and more DJT looks like the cornered rat who will do anything and everything to escape. In this case it's too escape looking clueless and lost when it comes to policy and getting real things done and not just talking about them. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - Benton - 04-09-2019 I want to know more about Todd. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - GMDino - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 10:12 AM)Benton Wrote: I want to know more about Todd. New Trump spokesman? That's a good catch! LMAO! Edit: I had to go back and look...that's as advert in the middle I forgot to take out! RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - Dill - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 10:12 AM)Benton Wrote: I want to know more about Todd. According to the information presently on file, until yesterday he was a firefighter and paramedic. Now he is in charge of the Iran portfolio, working directly under Jared Kushner. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 What would we think of a US Military force that answered only to Trump? Would we call them 'Brown Shirts" or something of that sort. The RG is a terrorist organization and it appears we have discussed labeling them as such for over a decade. The recent sentencing of an American to 10 years for insulting an Iranian Leader may have been the straw that broke the Camel's back. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - Yojimbo - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 06:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What would we think of a US Military force that answered only to Trump? Would we call them 'Brown Shirts" or something of that sort. What does somebody breaking Iran’s laws in Iran’s country have to do with terrorism? RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - TheLeonardLeap - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 07:18 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: What does somebody breaking Iran’s laws in Iran’s country have to do with terrorism? They also captured US military and only released them after being paid off. That is basically piracy. Combine that with Iranian weaponry being constantly sold/supplied to terrorists, and their stance of wanting to eradicate some nations and all their people off of the face of the earth. I am not sure what good the designation will do, but honestly... F Iran. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 07:18 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: What does somebody breaking Iran’s laws in Iran’s country have to do with terrorism? DAMNIT. You didn't answer the question posed simply posed one of your own. et tu Brute? But to answer your question it has less to do with how he was sentenced than his actual arrest. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 07:41 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They also captured US military and only released them after being paid off. That is basically piracy. If you ever want Americans to defend a terrorist organization that violates human rights constantly, just have Trump call them on it. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - Belsnickel - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 06:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What would we think of a US Military force that answered only to Trump? Would we call them 'Brown Shirts" or something of that sort. I have to agree, here. I may question the wisdom of the secondary and tertiary effects of this policy decision, but essentially it seems there is a wide agreement that the group is a terrorist organization, even if they don't agree to it being labeled as such. I am curious whether they have some of the details ironed out or if they are planning on making some adjustments on the fly to allow for continued diplomacy. I guess my main critique is that we approach Iran like this, but we treat the Saudis with kid gloves when they hold so much responsibility for terrorist activity from Islamic terrorists. But that is nothing new with Trump. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - Yojimbo - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 07:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you ever want Americans to defend a terrorist organization that violates human rights constantly, just have Trump call them on it. The U.S. military commits all kinds of human rights violations. Do we want other countries labeling the U.S. military as terrorist groups and therefore ignoring the Geneva Convention rules of war? FYI that’s why we just did this to Iran. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 07:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I have to agree, here. I may question the wisdom of the secondary and tertiary effects of this policy decision, but essentially it seems there is a wide agreement that the group is a terrorist organization, even if they don't agree to it being labeled as such. I am curious whether they have some of the details ironed out or if they are planning on making some adjustments on the fly to allow for continued diplomacy. Solid post and I agree with the hypocrisy, but I'm not sure this is something that started with Trump: But I do agree that I wish the current Admin would take a harder stance toward Saudi RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - TheLeonardLeap - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 07:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I have to agree, here. I may question the wisdom of the secondary and tertiary effects of this policy decision, but essentially it seems there is a wide agreement that the group is a terrorist organization, even if they don't agree to it being labeled as such. I am curious whether they have some of the details ironed out or if they are planning on making some adjustments on the fly to allow for continued diplomacy. *But that is nothing new with the US. - - - - - - Saudi buddies is hardly new to Trump. Trump, Obama, Bush, Clintons... it really goes back. Oil and oil money buys a lot of forgiveness, forgetfulness, and friends. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 08:05 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: The U.S. military commits all kinds of human rights violations. Do we want other countries labeling the U.S. military as terrorist groups and therefore ignoring the Geneva Convention rules of war? FYI that’s why we just did this to Iran. I don't think we labeled the Iranian Military as terrorists. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - Belsnickel - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 08:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Solid post and I agree with the hypocrisy, but I'm not sure this is something that started with Trump: (04-09-2019, 08:09 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: *But that is nothing new with the US. I should clarify that when I said "this is nothing new with Trump" I was intending to say Trump isn't the first. It was a poorly worded sentiment, but we are all in agreement, here. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - TheLeonardLeap - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 08:27 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I should clarify that when I said "this is nothing new with Trump" I was intending to say Trump isn't the first. It was a poorly worded sentiment, but we are all in agreement, here. Yeah. I am a fan of flipping the entire Middle East the bird and minding our own business. There isn't really a GOOD choice of buddies over there so we probably shouldn't have one. That said, I guess we need some presence over there to protect the waterways for our interests, and it isn't going to be Yemen or Somalia. Lol Just would like for us to not feel so dirty with our choice of companions. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 08:27 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I should clarify that when I said "this is nothing new with Trump" I was intending to say Trump isn't the first. It was a poorly worded sentiment, but we are all in agreement, here. We are in agreement and my apologies for making assumptions. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - bfine32 - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 08:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah. This is a hard stance for me to take; especially after seeing first hand how many of the citizens are treated there. But I'm sure I'd be every bit as adamant about keeping a presence in Africa if I had witnessed many of the atrocities there. It is why I find many of the "problems" in the country to be trivial. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - michaelsean - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 08:27 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I should clarify that when I said "this is nothing new with Trump" I was intending to say Trump isn't the first. It was a poorly worded sentiment, but we are all in agreement, here. I knew what you meant, but then again I’m smarterer than them two. RE: US labels elite Iran force a foreign terrorist organization - TheLeonardLeap - 04-09-2019 (04-09-2019, 09:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is a hard stance for me to take; especially after seeing first hand how many of the citizens are treated there. But I'm sure I'd be every bit as adamant about keeping a presence in Africa if I had witnessed many of the atrocities there. It is why I find many of the "problems" in the country to be trivial. There are things like the UN, Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, etc for helping folks. I just believe that the the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth priorities for the US Government and US Money should be the US Citizens. Sure human rights violations elsewhere are terrible, but lets focus all that effort, money, and manpower on getting places like Flint clean drinking water, rebuilding bridges, making sure all the levies and failsafes are up-to-snuff, making sure our forests are properly forested to limit forest fires. Saw where 3 US military and 1 US contractor were killed in Afghanistan just recently. Why? F Afghanistan. |