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Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Belsnickel - 08-07-2019 Kinda surprised this hasn't been posted, yet. Or if it was, I missed it and you can feel free to combine things. Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — A veteran FBI agent who wrote derogatory text messages about Donald Trump filed a lawsuit Tuesday charging that the bureau caved to “unrelenting pressure” from the president when it fired him. Going to be an interesting case to watch, for sure. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - JustWinBaby - 08-07-2019 In that job, well any job but especially THAT job, the context or intent of the comments are irrelevant because it's how you're perceived as a result of those comments that matters. If he didn't make the comments, or made them on his own personal device then he still has a job. Now, pointing at Trump as a defense against any ethical or moral standard justifying termination would be an interesting defense. But case should be dismissed, IMO. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 08:32 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: In that job, well any job but especially THAT job, the context or intent of the comments are irrelevant because it's how you're perceived as a result of those comments that matters. I say this at my work all the time. In our profession the appearance of impropriety is the same as actual impropriety. It takes a considerable investment of time and effort to become an FBI agent, let alone climb to the position Strzok was in. He effed up, big time. I think he knows this and is just trying to salvage what he can. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - JustWinBaby - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 09:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I say this at my work all the time. In our profession the appearance of impropriety is the same as actual impropriety. It takes a considerable investment of time and effort to become an FBI agent, let alone climb to the position Strzok was in. He effed up, big time. I think he knows this and is just trying to salvage what he can. I'm not sure how his pension might have been affected, so could be a negotiating ploy. His screen test for MSNBC/CNN must not have gone well. We also don't know what past practice is. Maybe the crime called for demotion to a field office. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Benton - 08-07-2019 Back 10 years or so ago some sales people at the company I was with (newspaper) got fired for wearing gop shirts at an event representing the company. I was ok with that for the same reason I'm ok with a guy potentially involved in federal investigations showing political bias. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 09:08 PM)Benton Wrote: Back 10 years or so ago some sales people at the company I was with (newspaper) got fired for wearing gop shirts at an event representing the company. I was ok with that for the same reason I'm ok with a guy potentially involved in federal investigations showing political bias. /thread But feel free to continue all. ![]() RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Belsnickel - 08-07-2019 I get what is being said, here, but if there was no finding of poor job performance in spite of the partisan position expressed in the texts then it does become a free speech issue if he was fired for that. I think he was a moron for doing what he did, but he may have a case. With the IG report saying there was no political bias in his work on the Clinton investigation despite his poor judgement and the pressure from Trump being so public, there is a mound of evidence on his side of the case. That's before getting into possible other evidence we are unaware of regarding the handling of other personnel situations. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Benton - 08-08-2019 (08-07-2019, 09:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I get what is being said, here, but if there was no finding of poor job performance in spite of the partisan position expressed in the texts then it does become a free speech issue if he was fired for that. I think he was a moron for doing what he did, but he may have a case. With the IG report saying there was no political bias in his work on the Clinton investigation despite his poor judgement and the pressure from Trump being so public, there is a mound of evidence on his side of the case. That's before getting into possible other evidence we are unaware of regarding the handling of other personnel situations. You're representative of your employer. Being a leo aside, an employer shouldnt be restricted in their first amendment rights, either. But being a leo, to me, it's even more of an issue. Like the cop in Chattanooga who was openly hostile towards gays. It casts a shadow of doubt on all his work, even of there were 100 percent substantiated, evidenced arrests. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Aquapod770 - 08-08-2019 Awwww man. He doesn't like his rights being violated? ![]() What a shame. ![]() Sooooooooooooooo sad ![]() If only someone had been warning us about this for years ![]() RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - jj22 - 08-08-2019 If you can't text your girlfriend about politics who can you text? I'd like to see all these judges, fbi agents, cops etc texts to their wives and girlfriends before I judge Peter. Hell many were at Trump campaign events etc but nobody cared about that. At least Peter didn't make his political feeling public like they did. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - michaelsean - 08-08-2019 (08-07-2019, 09:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I get what is being said, here, but if there was no finding of poor job performance in spite of the partisan position expressed in the texts then it does become a free speech issue if he was fired for that. I think he was a moron for doing what he did, but he may have a case. With the IG report saying there was no political bias in his work on the Clinton investigation despite his poor judgement and the pressure from Trump being so public, there is a mound of evidence on his side of the case. That's before getting into possible other evidence we are unaware of regarding the handling of other personnel situations. Quote:That deputy, David Bowdich, overruled the recommendation of a disciplinary official that Strzok be merely demoted and suspended, and denied him the chance to appeal, the complaint says. If you are putting that in the complaint it could come across as admitting what you did was wrong, but the punishment was too harsh. Now I could also see that they can argue, "Hey he didn't do anything wrong, but even the guy who thought he did didn't go so far as firing him." RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 01:56 AM)Benton Wrote: You're representative of your employer. Being a leo aside, an employer shouldnt be restricted in their first amendment rights, either. Benton is all over this thread. You cannot exhibit any bias in the LEO profession, it taints every decision you make in the eyes of any observer. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Au165 - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 10:47 AM)michaelsean Wrote: If you are putting that in the complaint it could come across as admitting what you did was wrong, but the punishment was too harsh. Now I could also see that they can argue, "Hey he didn't do anything wrong, but even the guy who thought he did didn't go so far as firing him." That second quote there could be an issue. By overruling the disciplinary official, and denying him the right to appeal the decision, they may have violated his rights laid out in their own manual. I don't know that they did or didn't follow the procedures in their manual, however based on that quote it seems like that is the angle they are going after. Even in at will employment states if companies don't follow their own rules in the termination of employees that they themselves laid out, and through agreeing to employment there the employee agreed to, it is not uncommon for courts to find in favor of the employee no matter how justified the employer may have been in firing them in the first place. It pays for both parties to understand each others rights laid out in the employee manual. Source, my wife is a high up in HR and constantly deals with not being able to fire people because managers didn't properly follow procedures. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Goalpost - 08-08-2019 So this was always a very big no no for me at work...giving political opinions. It's not part of our job responsibility. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - PhilHos - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 09:44 AM)jj22 Wrote: If you can't text your girlfriend about politics who can you text? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't some of the texts stating things like stopping Trump from being elected? If so, that's not just talking about politics. That sounds more like an abuse of power to me. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Aquapod770 - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 01:16 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't some of the texts stating things like stopping Trump from being elected? If so, that's not just talking about politics. That sounds more like an abuse of power to me. Bingo. But according to JJ that's not as bad as attending a Trump rally. ![]() RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Mike M (the other one) - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 09:44 AM)jj22 Wrote: If you can't text your girlfriend about politics who can you text? You can text whomever you want whatever you want on your OWN phone. He was doing so on his FBI issued phone. That means it's not a private conversation. Not only that, but he was also married man having an affair with a married woman, which doesn't look good either, now with this case, it's all going to come back out in the spotlight again. I'm sure they will find some violations in his texts, probably those sent to his mistress. So it's all an uphill battle for him as he participated in egregious conduct. EDIT: Also I thought “excepted service” which means the FBI doesn't have to follow procedures during terminations. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - jj22 - 08-08-2019 He was talking to his girlfriend people. What all have you said to your girlfriends (or boyfriends)? Again, let all cops, judges, fbi agents, etc show their text to their girls before you come to a conclusion. And yes I repeat, this wasn't public like those who didn't text but said publically let's not elect Hillary and chanted lock her up! But yea, focus your attention on a private text to a girlfriend. Excuse me tho if I don't care what you say to your girlfriend in private. I won't demand you be fired for it or act like political conversations with your girl don't take place. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - jj22 - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 02:22 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Not only that, but he was also married man having an affair with a married woman, which doesn't look good either, now with this case, it's all going to come back out in the spotlight again. The high horse missed you. Too bad you abandoned it in 2016. But I'm glad you have morals again. RE: Peter Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump texts - Mike M (the other one) - 08-08-2019 (08-08-2019, 02:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: The high horse missed you. Too bad you abandoned it in 2016. Knock off the personal attacks and stick to the subject matter. |