(09-16-2019, 12:29 PM)Wyche Wrote: Get active in FA, and have a good draft and the team may take off. Pipe dream, I know, 

(09-16-2019, 01:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Here's the thing: if we're not seriously going to use FA the way it should be used and our primary method of team improvement is through the draft, then, yes, we need to explore trades that get us more high draft picks. Trade Dalton and Green and Dunlap and Atkins and whomever else we can that'll bring us more draft picks.

The problem, though, is that this means that we most likely aren't going to be winning games any time soon. The Bengals don't really have the luxury of taking time to do a tear down rebuild. There was more SF fans at OUR HOME GAME than Bengals fans and it was the HOME OPENER.

So, while I know some of us would not necessarily mind taking the time to tear things down and rebuild from scratch, I don't know if the Bengals front office can afford that kind of time. What should happen is that the team builds through the draft AND free agency.

(09-16-2019, 01:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Here's the thing: if we're not seriously going to use FA the way it should be used and our primary method of team improvement is through the draft, then, yes, we need to explore trades that get us more high draft picks. Trade Dalton and Green and Dunlap and Atkins and whomever else we can that'll bring us more draft picks.

The problem, though, is that this means that we most likely aren't going to be winning games any time soon. The Bengals don't really have the luxury of taking time to do a tear down rebuild. There was more SF fans at OUR HOME GAME than Bengals fans and it was the HOME OPENER.

So, while I know some of us would not necessarily mind taking the time to tear things down and rebuild from scratch, I don't know if the Bengals front office can afford that kind of time. What should happen is that the team builds through the draft AND free agency.

(09-16-2019, 01:05 PM)thillan Wrote: Yep, and is it really necessary? If you hit on a few key positions in the NFL, change happens fast. If we were to hit on a good MLB and QB alone, I think things are already looking much better.

Easier said than done, but not impossible. We might get a top 3 pick this year, so would be a good time to finally make a 1st rounder worth it.

(09-16-2019, 01:13 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So you think after 28 years of no playoff wins, that the front office is in win now mode?

(09-16-2019, 12:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is not a pipe dream.

In 2011 offseason the Bengals re-built the defense by signing three solid starters.

In 2018 offseason we traded for one of the highest paid OTs in the league and signed the league's leading tackler in free agency.

They don't do it on a very regular basis, but this front office is willing to make serious moves other than just looking at the draft for every problem.

(09-16-2019, 01:16 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Don't worry, I'm sure the 4 personnel we have with the word 'scout' in their title are canvassing the country so that we have a homerun draft.

(09-16-2019, 12:18 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Well, I got caught in the rain halfway through mowing on the only day I could fit mowing into my schedule once this summer. I persevered, and the yard looked pretty damn good!

(09-15-2019, 11:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I saw a lot of the same tendencies we have for years.

In the 1st game, we statistically dominated...yet found a way to not win.

In the 2nd game, team strengths totally abandoned themselves.

This team can't be that bad. The team culture needs to change and unfortunately it starts at the top.

Time will tell...but IF we finish like 4-12 or 5-11, we seriously need to strongly consider a reboot. Guys like AJ, Geno, and Dunlap are 30/31. We need to get a bunch of young guys on cheap rookie contracts.

(09-16-2019, 12:09 AM)lone bengal Wrote: :andy:

lone bengalThe front office has to do a better job of acquiring outside talent instead hoping to just hit on every draft pick. We added B.W. Webb and Kerry Wynn to the worse defense in the league and thought that was good enough. We hope linebackers like Pratt pan out even though Tobin has showed he can’t draft them. John Miller was our biggest offseason addition and he stinks.

(09-16-2019, 09:49 AM)samhain Wrote: I think an epically bad year will result in some staff turnover.  Taylor isn't going anywhere, nor should he.  He deserves time to get his roster where he wants it.

Dalton and Green are the big questions.  I think this team has a legitimate shot at winning less than 5 games this year.  That puts them in the first round quarterback conversation.  A that point, if Zac wants a guy to groom, you let him pick him.  This team isn't constructed well enough to help a 30 mil per year Andy Dalton succeed.  Draft a rookie with upside on an affordable contract, then build the line with the 30 million instead.  

I think that there are enough skill players on the roster that paying Green 20 or 22 mil per year isn't a necessity, either.  Take some mercy on him.  Let him pursue a title before his career ends.  He's been the consummate good soldier.  

A lot of people here like to ask if we as fans would really want to spend 18 mil on "Trent freaking Brown" or give Roger Saffold a 44 million dollar deal.  Well, I'm here to tell you that I absolutely would at this point.  We need established commodities on the line, not retreads and roster backfill.  We've tried the cheap approach for 3 years now and it gets worse and worse.  Spend money to fix the problem instead of extending a guy like AJ to be a hood ornament on a one dimensional offense or Andy to watch him get obliterated when other teams pin their ears back and tee off due to lack of run game.

We're going to get beat a lot until we start winning at the line of scrimmage.  Yesterday's game illustrated that perfectly.  SF doesn't have a great QB or skill players.  I'd take ours over theirs all day long.  What they do have is a legit o-line and defensive front seven, some of which they spent a lot of money on in free agency.  Nobody was laughing at the Kwon Alexander overpay yesterday as their defense shut our offense down.

(09-16-2019, 02:10 PM)jason Wrote: Times of adversity are the true tests of a man's character. I assume that you made your children watch to teach them a life lesson.

(09-16-2019, 02:10 PM)jason Wrote: Times of adversity are the true tests of a man's character. I assume that you made your children watch to teach them a life lesson.

(09-16-2019, 03:13 PM)samhain Wrote: Been thinking about taking my 6 year old son to a game.  After sitting though 3 quarters of getting screamed at and harassed by Niners fans, I decided to wait another year, lol.  I'm not ready for him to understand the reality of being a Bengal fan quite that clearly just yet.  

(09-15-2019, 11:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I saw a lot of the same tendencies we have for years.

In the 1st game, we statistically dominated...yet found a way to not win.

In the 2nd game, team strengths totally abandoned themselves.

This team can't be that bad. The team culture needs to change and unfortunately it starts at the top.

Time will tell...but IF we finish like 4-12 or 5-11, we seriously need to strongly consider a reboot. Guys like AJ, Geno, and Dunlap are 30/31. We need to get a bunch of young guys on cheap rookie contracts.

(09-15-2019, 11:58 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Just thinking out loud here, but does anyone here like bananas on their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?

How about cutting your grass in the rain? I mean, if it's just sprinkling, it's not really a problem...but when it's raining hard, it's difficult to cut. 

Also, while i'm at it, i have this rash...

(09-16-2019, 05:16 PM)Adamantium Wrote: How about new ownership? That would be nice.