(10-21-2019, 05:51 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I’m blaming Turner for this. He wanted Hart, probably wanted Sample and he’s coaching both to being the worst in the league at their positions.

As bad as ZT has been at calling plays, hiring Turner is easily the biggest mistake he’s made as HC.

(10-21-2019, 05:34 PM)WhodeyRay Wrote: My issue is you don't take a blocking TE with a second round pick. It rates up there with taking a fullback in the 2nd. Basically the same thing on the line. You only use a 2nd round pick for a specialized player if its a pass rusher. We used a 2nd on a small lineman.

(10-21-2019, 06:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Dammit.  I knew we should have hired that O-line coach who got so much great production last year from John Jerry, Andre Smith, Michael Jordan, Trey Hopkins, Billy Price, John Miller, and Bobby Hart.

Who was that guy again?

(10-21-2019, 07:04 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Jerry = Turner’s guy
Jordan = Turner’s guy
Miller = Turner’s guy
Hart = Turner’s guy

All those guys are on the team with Turner’s approval. So, he either can’t pick talent or can’t coach.

(10-21-2019, 05:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Goodberry and/or PFF are full of shit.

There are 10 drafted TEs who have fewer targets and receptions than Sample.

And anyone judging any player to be a bust after just 7 games is completely clueless.  He has only played 93 snaps.

Some people just hated the pick when it hapened so they still hate it today.

(10-21-2019, 09:04 PM)BengalChris Wrote: 2nd round picks need to become starters rather quickly to rate being taken in the 2nd round. Mixon is an example, so is Boyd (who had 600 yards as a rookie), Bates, etc.

We sure could have used some OL help with that pick. Guard or tackle doesn't matter, both in desperate need.

 

(10-21-2019, 07:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you actually think Turner was given better options but refused them?




That is precious. 

Mike Brown:  "I think I'll go out and spend $80 million on a couple of top rated Offensive linemen because that is always what I do in free agency.  But first I better check with the position coach."

Turner:  "No thanks Mr. Brown.  I'd rather have a few scrubs to work with."

(10-21-2019, 08:56 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: Bengals always pick guys based on some idea that they know things other teams do not. It they know less than other teams

(10-21-2019, 09:04 PM)BengalChris Wrote: 2nd round picks need to become starters rather quickly to rate being taken in the 2nd round. Mixon is an example, so is Boyd (who had 600 yards as a rookie), Bates, etc.

We sure could have used some OL help with that pick. Guard or tackle doesn't matter, both in desperate need.

 

(10-21-2019, 04:24 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: “Then we took Sample and the whole league  laughed”

There is no defending that pick. Between his 1st draft, and his play calling I’m already thinking about who I want to replace Taylor.

(10-21-2019, 09:18 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: Marvin gave me the impression he was better at evaluating talent. But who knows as most of the behind the scenes work in the FO is unknown. But coaches are expected to be part of the draft. 

I get the impression that the list they had, was nullified by the squeelers when they took D. Bush and they didn't have a good back up plan. Probably confident Bush would land on the lap.

(10-21-2019, 09:06 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Or LB. Our starting 2 are possibly the worst in the league. Would have rather doubled down there with the Pratt pick, than a blocking TE that can’t block.

(10-22-2019, 10:28 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: I think the next LB off the board was Pratt so I'm not sure that would have helped.

They should have made the trade up for O-line in the second but they wanted extra picks for a back-up QB instead (and then ended up finding one they liked as a UDFA and so are wasting an extra roster spot on the position). Sample wasn't great value by a long stretch but at least he's got on the field this year and the 4th round is where we should have gone on doubling up on linebackers if we weren't going to address it in free agency. I was keen on Cashman, Burr-Kiven and Wilson at that spot.

(10-22-2019, 11:19 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Max Sharping an OT went 3 picks after Sample.

(10-21-2019, 09:10 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: It's sad that the best argument defending the coaching staff is that the Bengals front office is terrible. Doesn't bode well for the future.

I do think there was a narrative that a new staff could coach up guys like Price and Hart into competent starts. In fact, they pretty much came out and said it with Hart that he was young and should improve.

That stuff hasn't came to pass.