(10-26-2019, 07:02 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Most starting college football players on every team, even the very best  teams, will never put on an NFL uniform.  If you matched the best college team against the worst NFL team the college team would get blown out.

(10-26-2019, 07:02 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: You can't really compare college football with the pros.  The very best college teams often have a small number of players that are good enough to even make it to the pros and out of those even fewer that are good enough to be NFL starters.  At the same time they are often playing against teams that have even fewer if any players that are good enough to play pro football.   So they may play lights out but you have to consider the competition and the average level of skill.

Most starting college football players on every team, even the very best  teams, will never put on an NFL uniform.  If you matched the best college team against the worst NFL team the college team would get blown out.

(10-26-2019, 07:53 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't know....

Normally I would probably agree with you, but Ohio State over the last 4 years has had 35 players drafted. 12 of them were drafted in the 1st round, another 14 were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

(10-26-2019, 08:02 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: You are comparing drafts over 4 years with 1 team this year.  That doesn't really support your argument that this year's Ohio State team is better than the worst pro team.  You can't add up 4 years worth of players to state a current college team has better players than a pro team. It doesn't work that way.   

Even adding up all those last 4 years of drafts the majority of Ohio State starters never made it in the pros.    Maybe I should have been more clear, I don't know.   The very best college teams often have a small number of players each year that are good enough to even make it to the pros and out of those even fewer that are good enough to be NFL starters..  But I didn't think that needed explaining.

(10-26-2019, 08:02 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: You are comparing drafts over 4 years with 1 team this year.  That doesn't really support your argument that this year's Ohio State team is better than a pro team.  You can't add up 4 years worth of players to state a current college team has better players than a pro team. It doesn't work that way.   

Even adding up all those last 4 years of drafts the majority of Ohio State starters never made it in the pros.    Maybe I should have been more clear, I don't know.   The very best college teams often have a small number of players each year that are good enough to even make it to the pros and out of those even fewer that are good enough to be NFL starters..  But I didn't think that needed explaining.

(10-26-2019, 07:53 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't know....

Normally I would probably agree with you, but Ohio State over the last 4 years has had 35 players drafted. 12 of them were drafted in the 1st round, another 14 were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Think about how crazy that is. If you took the last four years of Ohio State drafted players, you could make a team consisting of 

QB: Dwayne Haskins
WR: Michael Thomas
WR: Curtis Samuel
WR: Terry McLaurin
RB: Ezekiel Elliott
TE: Nick Vannett
LT: Taylor Decker
LG: Billy Price
C: Pat Elflein
RG: Michael Jordan
RT: Jamarco Jones

DE: Joey Bosa
DT: Adolphus Washington
DE: Nick Bosa
OLB: Sam Hubbard
ILB: Jerome Baker
ILB: Raekwon McMillan
OLB: Darron Lee
CB: Marshon Lattimore
CB: Eli Apple
(Nickle CB: Gareon Conley)
S: Vonn Bell
S: Malik Hooker


...and this year is considered the most talented Ohio State team. There's a couple weak spots in that roster, sure, but you'd have 5 Pro Bowlers, including arguably the best WR and one of the top 3 RBs in the league with a pretty darn good secondary and pass rush. Also all those players were drafted in the NFL, and only 2 of them were drafted later than the 4th round.

(10-26-2019, 08:30 PM)Whatever Wrote: That OL is pathetic and Dwayne Haskins is sitting behind Case Keenum.  Dude, it ain't even close.  OSU would get monkey stomped .  Put down the scarlet and grey Kool Aid.

(10-26-2019, 06:57 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: The Bengals, as bad as they are, would beat Ohio State by 40 points. As would every other NFL team. The college vs pro comparisons are among the dumbest things to come up among sports fans.

I almost started to explain why here, but I'll stop short of wasting my time.

(10-26-2019, 08:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm comparing drafts over 4 years because that's *roughly* how long a player is in college. Redshirt, play 3-4 years, get drafted.

A lot of those players were on the same team together. Justin Fields isn't going to be drafted in 2020 because he's not eligible yet, but he's still on the same team with Chase Young, who will be a Top-3 pick in the 2020 draft. If Justin Fields were allowed by the rules to be drafted in 2020, he'd be drafted. It doesn't make him less talented, it's just how the system works. You have to look at multiple years of drafts in order to judge a team. For the 2019 Buckeyes, you'll have to look at the 2020-2023 NFL Drafts.

If you wanted to cut back the 4 years to just a 3 year span, it really didn't change much. The 2016-2018 drafts were very heavy in Ohio State players. It's not their fault they are forced into unpaid labor for a minimum of 3 years before they're allowed to be drafted in the NFL.

I didn't think how NFL draft eligibility works needed explaining.

(10-26-2019, 08:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I would argue that there a several Bengals players who aren't making it in the pros.

 

(10-26-2019, 08:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I would argue that there a several Bengals players who aren't making it in the pros.