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Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Belsnickel - 01-27-2020 https://www.npr.org/2020/01/23/798809951/trump-administration-is-rolling-back-obama-era-protections-for-smaller-waterways Quote:The Environmental Protection Agency is dramatically reducing the amount of U.S. waterways that get federal protection under the Clean Water Act — a move that is welcomed by many farmers, builders and mining companies but is opposed even by the agency's own science advisers. The article is a long one, so I'll end the copy pasta there. I could go on and on about the impact this has and why my position is strongly against this rollback on regulations, but I will share these links that make the argument better than I could: https://www.backcountryhunters.org/what_a_roll_back_of_the_clean_water_act_means_for_those_who_hunt_and_fish https://www.tu.org/blog/clean-water-rule-update-january-2020/ https://www.trcp.org/clean-water-rule/ https://www.iwla.org/publications/news/2020/01/23/izaak-walton-league-decries-weakening-of-protections-for-clean-water-and-wildlife-habitat https://www.nrdc.org/court-battles/clean-water-rule https://www.cleanwateraction.org/releases/despite-trump-claims-epas-rollbacks-put-water-risk You can see that my perspective lies strongest as a sportsman. However, this issue goes far beyond that. Our waterways are all interconnected, and any that are at risk put all of them at risk. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - GMDino - 01-27-2020 Color me stunned. I wonder how long it will take to fix what Trump and his minions destroyed/dismantled? RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - michaelsean - 01-27-2020 (01-27-2020, 12:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Color me stunned. In this case, not long if he isn't re-elected. It's only been in effect for five years so one more year on top of the decades it wasn't in effect can't amount to much. Especially since there's nothing to say people are going to start dumping waste right away. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - GMDino - 01-27-2020 (01-27-2020, 12:34 PM)michaelsean Wrote: In this case, not long if he isn't re-elected. It's only been in effect for five years so one more year on top of the decades it wasn't in effect can't amount to much. Especially since there's nothing to say people are going to start dumping waste right away. I'll assume many never stopped dumping...they just hope they don't get caught then pay a fine that is much less than the cost of doing things the right way anway. ![]() RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - michaelsean - 01-27-2020 (01-27-2020, 12:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'll assume many never stopped dumping...they just hope they don't get caught then pay a fine that is much less than the cost of doing things the right way anway. That's possible too. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - fredtoast - 01-27-2020 Here is what happens with "state regulation". The Champion paper Mill in North Carolina dumped massive amounts of toxins in the Pigeon River for many years because they were on the eastern edge of north Carolina and all the poison flowed into Tennessee. North Carolina did not care because their water was not getting polluted and there was nothing Tennessee could do to regulate a factory in a different state. Same thing happened with emissions from high sulfur coal burned in power plants. The resulting acid rain fell in different states from where the coal was burned. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Benton - 01-28-2020 (01-27-2020, 01:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is what happens with "state regulation". The Champion paper Mill in North Carolina dumped massive amounts of toxins in the Pigeon River for many years because they were on the eastern edge of north Carolina and all the poison flowed into Tennessee. North Carolina did not care because their water was not getting polluted and there was nothing Tennessee could do to regulate a factory in a different state. I live where the end of the Ohio meets the Mississippi. You can see the difference in the waters. Not that the Miss is anything pristine, but the Ohio is some nasty, nasty stuff. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - HarleyDog - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 10:15 AM)Benton Wrote: I live where the end of the Ohio meets the Mississippi. You can see the difference in the waters. Not that the Miss is anything pristine, but the Ohio is some nasty, nasty stuff. It's Pittsburgh's Fault. ![]() RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - michaelsean - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 10:15 AM)Benton Wrote: I live where the end of the Ohio meets the Mississippi. You can see the difference in the waters. Not that the Miss is anything pristine, but the Ohio is some nasty, nasty stuff. In Cairo, but not pronounced like Cairo? Edit: Not Cairo, that's in Illinois, but that's where they meet. Must be Paducah. I think that's nearby. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Nately120 - 01-28-2020 I never quite understood why destroying the air land and water of this country isn't considered a slap in the face to the brave people who fought and died for it, but whatever. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - GMDino - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 12:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I never quite understood why destroying the air land and water of this country isn't considered a slap in the face to the brave people who fought and died for it, but whatever. ![]() RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Nately120 - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 12:43 PM)GMDino Wrote: I know why the powers that be do it, but I mean why don't regular schlubs who love this country see poisoning it as offensive to "the troops?" I assume it's just great misdirection on the part of the money-grubbing elite who profit from it. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - GMDino - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 12:46 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I know why the powers that be do it, but I mean why don't regular schlubs who love this country see poisoning it as offensive to "the troops?" I assume it's just great misdirection on the part of the money-grubbing elite who profit from it. Same reason. The elected officials promise "no new taxes" as long as you don't mind dirty water and air. And then SOMEDAY you'll be rich enough to go somewhere nicer. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Belsnickel - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 12:46 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I know why the powers that be do it, but I mean why don't regular schlubs who love this country see poisoning it as offensive to "the troops?" I assume it's just great misdirection on the part of the money-grubbing elite who profit from it. Serious answer: faith. https://theconversation.com/understanding-christians-climate-views-can-lead-to-better-conversations-about-the-environment-115693 RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Benton - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 11:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: In Cairo, but not pronounced like Cairo? Winner winner, I live about a half hour south of Paducah. We do travel through Cairo quite a bit as a back way into st Louis. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - michaelsean - 01-28-2020 (01-28-2020, 08:32 PM)Benton Wrote: Winner winner, I live about a half hour south of Paducah. We do travel through Cairo quite a bit as a back way into st Louis. I think you’ve mentioned that before but for some reason I forget and think of you in southeastern Ky. “Justified” territory. It is a cool site though. From just driving past it looks like a gigantic lake and hard to tell two rivers meet there. RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - GMDino - 01-30-2020 Only undoing 50 years with this one. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/climate/trump-bird-deaths.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1CmwUTJdBW609oYGbIoWdy_YBvQcmP_4SxXvFfDJ1oOiCE4wpk34wkVW8 Quote:Trump Administration Moves to Ease Rules Against Killing Birds RE: Trump Administration Cuts Back Federal Protections For Streams And Wetlands - Benton - 01-31-2020 (01-28-2020, 09:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I think you’ve mentioned that before but for some reason I forget and think of you in southeastern Ky. “Justified” territory. Fair 'nough. Oddly, I just started watching that show on Hulu. I really like the books Harlan's character was in, but never had a chance to watch the whole series. It's good so far. I will say, eastern Ky is to western Ky as Stevia is to honey. No coal mines out here, mostly flat farms and river industry. But both of us thank God we aren't Louisville. |