(08-31-2020, 09:48 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: No one is blaming all this on Trump. That’s pure hyperbole. But, Trump is 100% responsible for his response. But, you’ve been told this before.

(08-31-2020, 09:08 PM)Von Cichlid Wrote: What more of a response do you want?  

We've tested more than almost any country out there.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

We've given every unemployed person an extra 2400 a month for 5 months.  What other nation of 330,000,000 is doing that?  Would $4800 had done the trick?

Fact of the matter is that people are running away in droves from the big cities who made the heavy handed response like you Dems are asking for.  

(08-31-2020, 08:56 PM)Von Cichlid Wrote: I don't know anything that Trump could've done do that would make the msm happy.

Weld people in their houses like China?  Blockade NYC and Seattle with the military to prevent people from entering and leaving?  Yeah, the msm would go right along with that.  They sh!t bricks when he prevented incoming flights from afflicted countries, there is no way they would tolerate any heavier hand that what he already had.


Let me ask you this:  What are some specific things that you or Hillary would have done different?

Don't just say vague platitudes like "Listen to the science!" or "Wear a mask and present a unified message!"  The science changed daily in the early months and there hasn't been anything unified since 2003 in this country.

What are some specific, quantifiable things that you would have done differently?

(08-31-2020, 10:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The absolute craziest thing is: That those that would have not listened to what he said are the ones screaming the loudest about he should have said something.

(08-31-2020, 10:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The absolute craziest thing is: That those that would have not listened to what he said are the ones screaming the loudest about he should have said something.

(08-31-2020, 10:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 2funny

Of course Trump is responsible for his own response. We all are.

(08-31-2020, 09:08 PM)Von Cichlid Wrote: What more of a response do you want?  

We've tested more than almost any country out there.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

We've given every unemployed person an extra 2400 a month for 5 months.  What other nation of 330,000,000 is doing that?  Would $4800 had done the trick?

Fact of the matter is that people are running away in droves from the big cities who made the heavy handed response like you Dems are asking for.  

(08-31-2020, 10:06 PM)jason Wrote: Maybe he could've lead by example. He disregarded every guideline the experts put out. Maybe he could have been consistent. Maybe he could have coordinated a federal response. Maybe he could not push quack cures. Maybe he could not try to discredit the top infectious disease expert in the country. Maybe he could've stayed outta the governors' business if he was gonna leave it up to them... Liberate Michigan. 

(09-01-2020, 12:05 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: We have more deaths than any country out there.  






Yeah, asking you to wear a face covering is practically quartering Red Coats in your house against your will.


Jason beat me too it, but not wasting two months reaction time pretending it was a MSM and Democrat hoax would have been nice.  Following advice that travel bands aren't effective, but testing, contact tracing and quarantining proven to be more effective would have been nice as well.  Instead of relying on the CDC to develop and manufacture a test for months, they could have approved commercially available tests they eventually used.  Hell, just not spreading misinformation would have been a plus.

But, providing guidance and coordination on a national/federal level is important and a responsibility Trump totally abdicated except for his failed travel ban which wasn't a travel ban.  Since you were infantry, let's put this in infantry terms.  If a company commander is conducting a raid does he provide the platoons with guidance and coordination? Or do all the squad leaders try to figure it all out on their own?  It's the former, but Trump's response was the latter.

(09-01-2020, 01:16 AM)Von Cichlid Wrote: OK, I'll admit defeat to you and GMDino on Trump's response to COVID.  If he loses this election, it will be due to his response to COVID, and I think everyone knows this. 

Two qualifiers though-

1.  It would have been absurdly difficult bordering on impossible for him to handle it well with a media and opposition that looks for every opportunity to crucify him any chance they get.  The media had just gotten through gleefully reporting on an impeachment farce that wasted resources and that was totally just for show.  There is no way they would have given the support needed for a unified response one month after that nonsense.

2.  His response will probably at absolute maximum change the vote of 5% of the independent vote, which may be enough to swing this election, unfortunately.  Even if he had handled it brilliantly (which he did not and it would have been impossible anyway), then there would still be near 40% of the voters that totally despise him and would vote for him under no circumstance.  

To wit, how many of the people in the poll on this page who say they are voting for Biden voted for Trump last year?  I'll bet zero. I don't know a single person who voted Trump last year that is not this year, and I don't figure too many people who didn't vote Trump are going to this year (In the big city blue states that might be another story, but they are too heavily democrat for it to probably matter.).

 

(08-30-2020, 06:56 PM)Von Cichlid Wrote: The European countries had the advantage of a msm that was not trying to subvert the presidency, so naturally they handled it less chaotically than we did.  You seem like a very even keeled person to me, much more than myself even, so I cant believe that you would possibly think that the media disagreed with Trump in good faith on all of this.  If Trump wanted A, the media demanded B.

As I have said, a silver lining of Biden winning would be that the onslaught of the msm would cease.  

(09-01-2020, 01:16 AM)Von Cichlid Wrote: 1.  It would have been absurdly difficult bordering on impossible for him to handle [the pandemic] well with a media and opposition that looks for every opportunity to crucify him any chance they get.  The media had just gotten through gleefully reporting on an impeachment farce that wasted resources and that was totally just for show.  There is no way they would have given the support needed for a unified response one month after that nonsense.

(09-02-2020, 02:27 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't think the media imposes any double standard on Trump. 

(09-02-2020, 03:24 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Bullshit. Wait, wait, let me correct myself. I believe you truly think that. The problem is it's just wrong. Cases-in-point: people protest lockdowns in various states and media complains that protestors aren't taking coronavirus seriously and want to kill their grandparents; people protest police brutality media makes little-to-no mention of coronavirus and even defends protestings; Trump holds campaign rally and media are back to complaining about effect this will have on coronavirus and saying Trump doesn't care.
Hell, CNN is a daily, constant dose of double standards by itself.

(09-02-2020, 03:41 PM)Dill Wrote: I confess I don't really see your "cases-in-point." I don't see a double standard here. "The media," including CNN, do monitor the possibility/probability of virus transmission via protest as well as via Trump rallies. Notice that most of the protestors in the image below (from the linked article) are outdoors and wearing masks.  Notice the photo below that, of attendees at Trump's Tulsa rally--indoors and no masks.

The whole protest/rally double standard theme is the product of Trump and Fox.

The protests are raising fears of a spike in coronavirus cases
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/health/protests-coronavirus-spread-concerns/index.html



Black Lives Matter protests have not led to a spike in coronavirus cases, research says
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/coronavirus-cases-protests-black-lives-matter-trnd/index.html

(08-31-2020, 11:27 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The obvious trolling isn't funny. It's tiresome.  The key word in your statement is "all."  I even typed it in bold to help you.  It's not ALL his fault.  No on is claiming it is ALL his fault.  Is Covid Trump's fault? No.  Is it Trump's fault he wasted at least two month's before taking this seriously?  Yes.  You know that, but you want to play silly word games.

(09-02-2020, 03:41 PM)Dill Wrote: I confess I don't really see your "cases-in-point." I don't see a double standard here. "The media," including CNN, do monitor the possibility/probability of virus transmission via protest as well as via Trump rallies. Notice that most of the protestors in the image below (from the linked article) are outdoors and wearing masks.  Notice the photo below that, of attendees at Trump's Tulsa rally--indoors and no masks.

The whole protest/rally double standard theme is the product of Trump and Fox.

The protests are raising fears of a spike in coronavirus cases
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/health/protests-coronavirus-spread-concerns/index.html



Black Lives Matter protests have not led to a spike in coronavirus cases, research says
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/coronavirus-cases-protests-black-lives-matter-trnd/index.html

(09-02-2020, 03:47 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It's also important to note that the anti-masker protesters were quite literally protesting for the ability to put their communities in danger.

(09-02-2020, 04:01 PM)Mer Wrote: So banning flights from China when it all started was not taking it serious? Meanwhile the Dems claimed he shouldn't do that just to later say he didn't act fast enough. Whatever. 

(09-02-2020, 04:56 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: We have more Covid 19 related deaths than any other country.