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RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-28-2020 (08-28-2020, 03:43 PM)samhain Wrote: I was actually ready to enter this thread to defend or at least acknowledge that Rittenhouse may not have acted in a way that justifies his charges. However, upon realizing that the alt-right apologists and racists will likely elevate him to the level of national hero, I opted not to. This kid was a loser. He dropped out of school because he was socially inept and couldn't deal with kids making fun of him. Wow, you've given us quite a bit to unbox here. Quite honestly this post rather reads a bit cathartic on your part. I will say you're displaying a rather warped sense of justice if you though this kid was in the right until you saw that people you don't like also thought the same way. His action were justified or they were not, who defends, or villianizes, him does not change that. I'll close by stating you seem to have gleaned a hell of a lot of highly personal information about this kid from a very small pool of available information. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 08-28-2020 (08-28-2020, 02:02 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: We'll see if we get more information. He crossed state lines with a gun he possessed illegally, openly carried it illegally, and was a few blocks away from the site he claimed to be protecting. I'm not sure if his intent wasn't to start some shit. So, from what has been said by a witness of the events leading up to the shooting has said, this is what went down: Quote:Detective Cepress interviewed McGinnis and indicates the following: Before the shooting, McGinnis was interviewing the defendant. The defendant told McGinnis that he was a trained medic. McGinnis stated that he (McGinnis) has handled many ARs and that the defendant was not handling the weapon very well. McGinnis said that as they were walking south another armed male who appeared to be in his 30s joined them and said he was there to protect the defendant. McGinnis stated that before the defendant reached the parking lot and ran across it, the defendant had moved from the middle of Sheridan Road to the sidewalk and that is when McGinnis saw a male (Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. McGinnis stated that as the defendant was walking Rosenbaum was trying to get closer to the defendant. When Rosenbaum advanced, the defendant did a “juke” move and started running. McGinnis stated that there were other people that were moving very quickly. McGinnis stated that they were moving towards the defendant. McGinnis said that according to what he saw the defendant was trying to evade these individuals. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m9sDjYr1Nj_fpFr9bTycWPG8tS2aPDeL/view It seems from the statement given by McGinnis, who is a journalist and should be pretty good at being able to absorb and recount these details, that Rittenhouse was not provoking the incident. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-28-2020 (08-28-2020, 05:45 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, from what has been said by a witness of the events leading up to the shooting has said, this is what went down: Straight from an eye witness, this kid shouldn't even have been charged. I do wonder about the gaps in this account though. No way words weren't exchanged and I'd be very interested in knowing what was said to Rittenhouse that caused him to run. Either way, it's clear Rittenhouse did not provoke this encounter, per a neutral third party witness. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 08-29-2020 Another video covering this with new information from the charging documents. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-29-2020 (08-29-2020, 10:46 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Another video covering this with new information from the charging documents. How any one can see all this evidence and still think this kid wasn't completely justified in defending himself is beyond me. As an aside, anyone surprised that so many of these rioters against the police are career criminals? Criminals tend to not like the police. Nice company you're keeping there protesters. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - BigPapaKain - 08-29-2020 (08-29-2020, 11:48 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How any one can see all this evidence and still think this kid wasn't completely justified in defending himself is beyond me. That's a weak aside. Most protestors just see people joining in; they're not performing DICA background checks on their fellow man. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Nately120 - 08-29-2020 (08-29-2020, 11:48 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How any one can see all this evidence and still think this kid wasn't completely justified in defending himself is beyond me. Hmm, what do you suggest for people who want to admit the protesting and rioting is awful but has no faith that the other side is going to fix it? My inability to believe that one side is good and one is evil is really making me feel hopeless and anti-american? All I see is people doing terrible things getting a big ol' reward in 2020 regardless of which side wins. I should probably just find something else to obsess over. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - samhain - 08-29-2020 (08-28-2020, 03:58 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Wow, you've given us quite a bit to unbox here. Quite honestly this post rather reads a bit cathartic on your part. I will say you're displaying a rather warped sense of justice if you though this kid was in the right until you saw that people you don't like also thought the same way. His action were justified or they were not, who defends, or villianizes, him does not change that. I'll close by stating you seem to have gleaned a hell of a lot of highly personal information about this kid from a very small pool of available information. Are you seriously going to tell me that you can look at the pictures of him crammed into the cop cosplay outfit and not think that he's Augustus Gloop from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory crossed with Eric Cartman? LOL. Yeah, I'm sure he just bought the AR to defend himself from the mob of young ladies trampling each other to earn his favor. His mom had to remove him from school. Lots or kids, perhaps even most, experience bullying. How many cope so poorly that they have to be removed from social interaction with their peers. It's not the norm, for sure. Also not saying he's "right". I don't think a 17 year old patrolling a riot zone with an AR is a good idea on any level. Does the military let 17-year-olds enlist? I am open to the idea that he was indeed defending himself, but I'm not ready to build a statue of the pudgy fella in DC to honor his heroism as the right seems prepared to do. I dunno, maybe the people that venerate him can send him a care package of some donuts and cheesy poofs to help him cope. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Dill - 08-30-2020 (08-29-2020, 11:38 PM)samhain Wrote: His mom had to remove him from school. Lots or kids, perhaps even most, experience bullying. How many cope so poorly that they have to be removed from social interaction with their peers. It's not the norm, for sure. 17 year olds can enlist in all branches of service except the Space Force--so long as they have parental consent. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - bfine32 - 08-30-2020 (08-29-2020, 11:38 PM)samhain Wrote:You mention the kid didn't cope well with being bullied, then spend about 80% of your post bullying him, and then claim you've changed your stance on the matter because of the way people reacted. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-30-2020 (08-29-2020, 11:38 PM)samhain Wrote: Kid had issues. Unfortunately he went along with the "everyone else is at fault, get me a gun" way of dealing with it. His parents are just as much to blame. (Maybe they feel the same?) Bullying is bad. It does not make people better or tougher. Nor does fighting. We've already had that argument around here. Also teens can be awful and provoke kids who are easily provoked into doing something out of anger/frustration. And, again, this kid decided that going to another city in another state with a gun was his way of "helping". Then, when confronted, he killed two people. It's bad all the way around and it really speaks to out gun culture in this country and how people can be led to think that violence is the best solution. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-30-2020 A question I have is why police would support the POTUS encouraging armed protesters to come to their town to confront other protesters.
That is a formula for MORE trouble and violence and yet the police have been seen welcoming the "support". It seems they don't really know how to calm or simply patrol the situations so they just want more people "on their side". You'd think the police would want fewer people there. Weird. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-30-2020 NSFW, racial slurs.
RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-30-2020 (08-30-2020, 09:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: Then, when confronted, he killed two people. You spelled, "attacked my a mob", wrong. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Dill - 08-30-2020 (08-30-2020, 09:30 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You mention the kid didn't cope well with being bullied, then spend about 80% of your post bullying him, and then claim you've changed your stance on the matter because of the way people reacted. I think the kid has to be there before it counts as "bullying." RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - bfine32 - 08-30-2020 (08-30-2020, 12:14 PM)Dill Wrote: I think the kid has to be there before it counts as "bullying." Not if he can read. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - samhain - 08-30-2020 (08-30-2020, 09:30 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You mention the kid didn't cope well with being bullied, then spend about 80% of your post bullying him, and then claim you've changed your stance on the matter because of the way people reacted. Sure. This is great. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - samhain - 08-30-2020 (08-30-2020, 12:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not if he can read. Is anyone forcing him to read disparaging comments? Was he at the re-education camp in A Clockwork Orange or something? RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - samhain - 08-30-2020 (08-30-2020, 09:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: Kid had issues. Unfortunately he went along with the "everyone else is at fault, get me a gun" way of dealing with it.Guns are merely tools. They serve a specific purpose. No more, no less. If viewed through that lens, then there's nothing inherently wrong with them. Unfortuanely, there's a huge culture in this country that uses them to define themselves. They wear them on their shirts and put their stickers on their bumpers just to let you know that they might pew pew you if you hurt their widdle feewings. A gun can make a walking joke with no self esteem feel like the Punisher himself, ready to water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and libz, and maybe some brown folk if they get uppity enough. The best part is, all you need to buy one is some money and the cognitive function to answer some basic questions. It's a magic pill, like the star or the mushroom in Mario Brothers. Suddenly the fat kid or the gamer nerd gets to be Charles Bronson or Dirty Harry. Congratulations, loser! You're a Constitutional Warrior now! Now find that local militia an get to watering. Guns are the saddest form of self-definition. So sad that we have so many folks in this country with so little self worth that they must define themselves by inanimate objects that fill the void for any real worthy attribute. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-30-2020 This helps...I'm sure.
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