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RE: 2020 Election - SunsetBengal - 07-27-2020 (07-27-2020, 08:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=3100930809984904&ref=external Well, I just find that incredibly hard to believe that was today. All over the morning news was that the President was arriving at RDU (Raleigh), at 2:30 this afternoon, and then speaking at a biotech company that is working on a Covid vaccine. So, with the timeline of the video you shared being "6 hours ago", I truly find it hard to believe that happened today. I don't have the time or energy to dig around and find out exactly what year that speech you posted happened, but by purporting it as "today", that sure looks like trolling to me. RE: 2020 Election - jason - 07-27-2020 (07-27-2020, 08:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Of what year? Where's the link? Don't hold me to it, but I think it was from earlier this year. Maybe in that short time frame between the impeachment and the pandemic setting in. The only reason I say that is that I remember those comments, and I'm sorta in one ear right out the other with politics. The video is gone for me now so I can't see it again but I'd say no older than last fall tops. RE: 2020 Election - hollodero - 07-28-2020 (07-27-2020, 04:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: Ooof. Ooof indeed. My main takeaway from that is that Trump has 40% approval rating no matter what he does. Unlike seemingly everyone else opposed to Trumpism, I am not happy the rating is so low, I am shocked that it is still so high. RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 05:04 AM)hollodero Wrote: Ooof indeed. My main takeaway from that is that Trump has 40% approval rating no matter what he does. Unlike seemingly everyone else opposed to Trumpism, I am not happy the rating is so low, I am shocked that it is still so high. All you have to do is have a small idea about how cults work and it would make sense. RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 07-28-2020 Interesting opinion piece comparing Trump to Carter with respect to where they were when up for reelection and how voters tend to view them. https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/509275-its-1980-in-reverse Quote:With 100 days left, Election Day 2020 is fast-approaching. The Real Clear Politics polling average gives presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden an average 8.7 percentage point nationwide lead. Swing state polls look even better for the former vice president. Biden leads in Pennsylvania by 11 points; Wisconsin by 8; Michigan by 9; and Florida by 5 — states President Trump probably needs to win a second term. RE: 2020 Election - hollodero - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 09:54 AM)GMDino Wrote: All you have to do is have a small idea about how cults work and it would make sense. Well, a cult usually consists of way fewer people, that all can have a somewhat direct relationship to a cult leader. Which is not the only reason why I do not find the cult analogy quite fitting. I personally came to the conclusion that many Trump supporters are not so much pro Trump inherently as that they despise the folks that don't approve of him. So they do, as some kind of "let's show them", or with some kind of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"-logic. Also, generally most Americans, on both sides, just hate to admit that they were wrong, so there's a strong tendency to cling to something despite whatever. Disclaimer, I do not despise or diminish Trump supporters, to an extent I get why some might rationally decide to go with him, and there are many supporters I would not dismiss as blind cult followers. Some others, sure. But not the whole 40%. RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 05:23 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, a cult usually consists of way fewer people, that all can have a somewhat direct relationship to a cult leader. Which is not the only reason why I do not find the cult analogy quite fitting. Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. He has a large megaphone to send his message out. Maybe televangelist is a better example? Trump can sell Trump. And there are lots of buyers who believe every word. Then throw in the "we will support a Republican no matter what they do or say" crowd who love his "tough talk" and "speaking his mind". 40% adds up very quickly. RE: 2020 Election - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 05:23 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, a cult usually consists of way fewer people, that all can have a somewhat direct relationship to a cult leader. Which is not the only reason why I do not find the cult analogy quite fitting. You're actually much closer to the truth than Dino. We've had this discussion before, but if you find the political platform of the Democratic Party inherently unpalatable, and let's be honest there's plenty of sound reasons to do so, then you're likely going to vote for Trump. This is also why they're keeping Biden in hiding right now. Does anyone ever remember a nominee for POTUS being as invisible as Biden is right now? They're trying to keep the focus on Trump's failures and away from Biden. This isn't an effective long term strategy though. Eventually he is going to have to campaign and Biden will inevitably stick his foot in his mouth, numerous times. Couple that with the likely extreme party platform the Dems will advance this year (or risk facing an internal civil war if it is not sufficiently "progressive") and I think you'll see a much closer election than many here are counting on. Three months is an eternity in politics, a hell of a lot can happen in that time. Here's a key thing to watch for. If Biden's team tries to eliminate or severely curtail the debates it'll be a sign that they're not confident of the results. RE: 2020 Election - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 07:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're actually much closer to the truth than Dino. We've had this discussion before, but if you find the political platform of the Democratic Party inherently unpalatable, and let's be honest there's plenty of sound reasons to do so, then you're likely going to vote for Trump. This is also why they're keeping Biden in hiding right now. Does anyone ever remember a nominee for POTUS being as invisible as Biden is right now? They're trying to keep the focus on Trump's failures and away from Biden. This isn't an effective long term strategy though. Eventually he is going to have to campaign and Biden will inevitably stick his foot in his mouth, numerous times. Couple that with the likely extreme party platform the Dems will advance this year (or risk facing an internal civil war if it is not sufficiently "progressive") and I think you'll see a much closer election than many here are counting on. Three months is an eternity in politics, a hell of a lot can happen in that time. Here's a key thing to watch for. If Biden's team tries to eliminate or severely curtail the debates it'll be a sign that they're not confident of the results. I’m not crazy about Biden and which I had a better option from the Democrats. With that said, Biden is a better option than Trump. No, I haven’t seen less of a presidential candidate roughly three months before Election Day. But, I’ve never seen an election during a pandemic like this. We know Biden will say something stupid so limiting the opportunities for unforced errors is a smart strategy for now. RE: 2020 Election - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 07:27 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I’m not crazy about Biden and which I had a better option from the Democrats. With that said, Biden is a better option than Trump.I can certainly see why many people would think so. Quote:No, I haven’t seen less of a presidential candidate roughly three months before Election Day. But, I’ve never seen an election during a pandemic like this. We know Biden will say something stupid so limiting the opportunities for unforced errors is a smart strategy for now. I quite agree. I'd also point out that the same argument could have been made against Trump in 2016, and I honestly think Hillary is more electable than Biden. They are smart for limiting Biden's exposure for now, but it's not a long term strategy and what happens in August doesn't mean much in November. We really won't know which way this is going to go until late October. I think anyone believing Biden has this in the bag is engaging in wishful thinking. RE: 2020 Election - jason - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 07:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're actually much closer to the truth than Dino. We've had this discussion before, but if you find the political platform of the Democratic Party inherently unpalatable, and let's be honest there's plenty of sound reasons to do so, then you're likely going to vote for Trump. This is also why they're keeping Biden in hiding right now. Does anyone ever remember a nominee for POTUS being as invisible as Biden is right now? They're trying to keep the focus on Trump's failures and away from Biden. This isn't an effective long term strategy though. Eventually he is going to have to campaign and Biden will inevitably stick his foot in his mouth, numerous times. Couple that with the likely extreme party platform the Dems will advance this year (or risk facing an internal civil war if it is not sufficiently "progressive") and I think you'll see a much closer election than many here are counting on. Three months is an eternity in politics, a hell of a lot can happen in that time. Here's a key thing to watch for. If Biden's team tries to eliminate or severely curtail the debates it'll be a sign that they're not confident of the results. I dunno... It's a pretty effective strategy when the president can't stay out of his own way. Just today he's (and his eldest kid) back on the quack medical advise train. RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 07-29-2020 The Lincoln Project is taking their show to Alaska, Maine, and Montana. https://www.axios.com/lincoln-project-senate-alaska-maine-montana-f1127dfe-5123-471a-9512-6e77ed3ce5fd.html RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 07-29-2020 Well this is an interesting development.
RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 07-29-2020 (07-29-2020, 10:23 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well this is an interesting development. and in Georgia, David Perdue's campaign had an online ad where his Jewish opponent, Jon Ossoff, had his nose distorted to appear bigger with the message "Democrats are trying to buy Georgia". Chuck Schumer was also in the ad. Dog whistles everywhere. RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 07-29-2020 (07-29-2020, 10:48 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: and in Georgia, David Perdue's campaign had an online ad where his Jewish opponent, Jon Ossoff, had his nose distorted to appear bigger with the message "Democrats are trying to buy Georgia". Chuck Schumer was also in the ad. One has to wonder why these strategists think that these racist techniques will work to get GOP voters to the polls. Quite the mystery. RE: 2020 Election - hollodero - 07-29-2020 (07-28-2020, 05:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Hm. There are those that just want conservative judges, fear socialism or an abolishment of amendment number two, have a strong stance on abortion, [...], and finally, sure, white racists. And then there are those you describe. I am aware of them, but while some sure genuinely adore Trump, I feel these posiitions also often initially stem from disliking liberals rather then from enthusiasm for Trump. Of course in confrontation these positions are adapted (and maybe forcefully believed) to counter, similar to what the GOP members in Congress do, who allegedly (and I believe that) privately sing a whole different tune about Trump than publicly. But I guess many at least to some extent are aware of the unspeakable disaster you and I deem Trump to be. Even on the more extreme platforms there's more hatred than enthusiasm. So I think "hating"/disliking liberals is maybe by far the biggest portion of the 40%, not so much people being gullible or cult followers. Just now I notice how "hatred" with an empty space in the middle turns into "hat red", and hence I now also explained MAGA hats. (07-28-2020, 07:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're actually much closer to the truth than Dino. We've had this discussion before, but if you find the political platform of the Democratic Party inherently unpalatable, and let's be honest there's plenty of sound reasons to do so, then you're likely going to vote for Trump. This is also why they're keeping Biden in hiding right now. Does anyone ever remember a nominee for POTUS being as invisible as Biden is right now? They're trying to keep the focus on Trump's failures and away from Biden. This isn't an effective long term strategy though. Eventually he is going to have to campaign and Biden will inevitably stick his foot in his mouth, numerous times. Couple that with the likely extreme party platform the Dems will advance this year (or risk facing an internal civil war if it is not sufficiently "progressive") and I think you'll see a much closer election than many here are counting on. Three months is an eternity in politics, a hell of a lot can happen in that time. Here's a key thing to watch for. If Biden's team tries to eliminate or severely curtail the debates it'll be a sign that they're not confident of the results. Well, aside from the strategy of letting Trump beat Trump looking pretty successful at this moment, there is a ravaging epidemic around and it seems understandable to keep an 78-year old man away from crowds, for his benefit as well as that of the crowd, these are not the times for public appearances. I also do not perceive Biden as invisible. Never mind he visibly fought a primary, he still does give several interviews and has things to say, including irritating mental lapses and many quite thoughtful and reasonable things in between. Also I feel you're overestimating the extremeness of the Democratic party, or their willingness to shoot themselves in the foot prior to election day by going after Biden for not being progressive enough (for that would be idiotic and they did not do so as of now), and I do not believe Biden will avoid a confrontation with Trump. But that we will see anyways. As for the Democrats being unpalatable, I can see why someone would feel that way and I sure feel the party is severely flawed on many fronts. I do have a harder time understanding how a platform sporting Trump and Trump sycophants, which describes the GOP almost as a whole these days, can be seen as less or at most just equally impalatable from a neutral standpoint. I back up this stance by saying oh my god it's Trump. RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 07-30-2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975 Quote:Donald Trump has called for November's presidential election to be postponed, saying increased postal voting could lead to fraud and inaccurate results. RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 07-30-2020 (07-30-2020, 10:30 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975
Fire from the Lincoln Project, but it has officially begun. Until today, the GOP could write off all of his comments that would suggest he would not accept the results of the election, but this tweet went over the line of plausible deniability. Rick Wilson is right:
RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 07-30-2020 (07-30-2020, 10:36 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You know how some of us have been talking about warning signs of tyranny? This is one of those things. RE: 2020 Election - hollodero - 07-30-2020 (07-30-2020, 10:38 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: You know how some of us have been talking about warning signs of tyranny? This is one of those things. Yep. I already had started to become curious why he hasn't brought it up already. I really hope for the US that he at least leaves it at that. I'd also hope that at least some GOP members stand up to that idea, but I am quite pessimistic about that one. "I am focused on policy and won't comment every one of Trump's tweets. You media people are obsessed." |