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RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 09-28-2020

(09-28-2020, 07:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: They are trying to find out and the state doesn't know.  

Think of it as if you got a speeding ticket and then showed up to pay and the court said "Eh, it's around here somewhere.  Meanwhile you can't drive until you pay." And then they never tell you how much you owe.

They also haven't processed the 85k voter registrations they had in May for those who did pay. 

As bad as the appeals decision was (5 of 6 deciding in favor of DeSantis were Trump appointed judges), one good thing was they said those 85k have to be allowed to vote since the state didn't process their applications. One bad thing is they took the pressure off the state to create a system to tell them how much they owed, something the lower court put on them, so now the state has little obligation to help them become enfranchised.

And since Republicans have initiated a national campaign to decrease legal voter turnout, Florida won't go out of its way to help them. 


RE: 2020 Election - Mickeypoo - 09-29-2020

Curious what everyone thinks about Harris' refusal to talk to the media. I believe yesterday she ripped Trumps SCOTUS pick and walked off the stage taking no questions yet again. I believe they said it has been around 44 days now since she last took questions from the press.


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 09:43 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Curious what everyone thinks about Harris' refusal to talk to the media.  I believe yesterday she ripped Trumps SCOTUS pick and walked off the stage taking no questions yet again.  I believe they said it has been around 44 days now since she last took questions from the press.

I guess it would matter at some point.  I'm not sure if either of the VP candidates have taken questions from the press recently though but rather are letting the two presidential candidates have the spotlight.


RE: 2020 Election - masonbengals fan - 09-29-2020

I don't believe Harris has had a formal news conference since accepting the VP candidacy.

And this person wants to be 2nd in command of this country.

Behind a person that will never last 4 years.

Tell me what's wrong with that picture.


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 10:04 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: I don't believe Harris has had a formal news conference since accepting the VP candidacy.

And this person wants to be 2nd in command of this country.

Behind a person that will never last 4 years.

Tell me what's wrong with that picture.

Has Pence?

Did Trump in 2016?

For a group of people who think the media is "the enemy of the people" they sure put a lot of stock into whether a candidate talks to them or not.


RE: 2020 Election - Nately120 - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 10:04 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: I don't believe Harris has had a formal news conference since accepting the VP candidacy.

And this person wants to be 2nd in command of this country.

Behind a person that will never last 4 years.

Tell me what's wrong with that picture.

Hell, one of the best things about the Biden/Harris ticket is that they have "one term" written all over them.  Best case scenario Biden has one uneventful term and then we get a political reboot in 2024 as he heads for the retirement home.

Besides, unless Biden is terminally ill he can "last" 4 years in the white house.  Reagan was in lala land during his 2nd term and the daily grind went on.


RE: 2020 Election - masonbengals fan - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 10:12 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Hell, one of the best things about the Biden/Harris ticket is that they have "one term" written all over them.  Best case scenario Biden has one uneventful term and then we get a political reboot in 2024 as he heads for the retirement home.

Besides, unless Biden is terminally ill he can "last" 4 years in the white house.  Reagan was in lala land during his 2nd term and the daily grind went on.

 In hindsight I should have wrote Biden remain in charge for 4 years. I have no reason to believe he won't be alive.


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 09-29-2020

The hits just keep coming for the Trump campaign.

https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-strategy-to-deter-millions-of-black-americans-from-voting-in-2016



Quote:Revealed: Trump campaign strategy to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016

By Channel 4 News Investigations Team

3.5 million Black Americans were profiled and categorised as ‘Deterrence’ by Trump campaign – voters they wanted to stay home on election day


Channel 4 News has exclusively obtained a vast cache of data used by Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign on almost 200 million American voters.

It reveals that 3.5 million Black Americans were categorised by Donald Trump’s campaign as ‘Deterrence’ – voters they wanted to stay home on election day.

Tonight, civil rights campaigners said the evidence amounted to a new form of voter “suppression” and called on Facebook to disclose ads and targeting information that has never been made public.

The ‘Deterrence’ project can be revealed after Channel 4 News obtained the database used by Trump’s digital campaign team – credited with helping deliver his shock victory to become president four years ago.

Vast in scale, it contains details on almost 200 million Americans, among more than 5,000 files, which together amass almost 5 terabytes of data – making it one of the biggest leaks in history.

It reveals not only the huge amounts of data held on every individual voter, but how that data was used and manipulated by models and algorithms.

In 16 key battleground states, millions of Americans were separated by an algorithm into one of eight categories, also described as ‘audiences’, so they could then be targeted with tailored ads on Facebook and other platforms.

One of the categories was named ‘Deterrence’, which was later described publicly by Trump’s chief data scientist as containing people that the campaign “hope don’t show up to vote”.

Analysis by Channel 4 News shows Black Americans – historically a community targeted with voter suppression tactics – were disproportionately marked ‘Deterrence’ by the 2016 campaign.

In total, 3.5 million Black Americans were marked ‘Deterrence’.

In Georgia, despite Black people constituting 32% of the population, they made up 61% of the ‘Deterrence’ category. In North Carolina, Black people are 22% of the population but were 46% of ‘Deterrence’. In Wisconsin, Black people constitute just 5.4% of the population but made up 17% of ‘Deterrence’.

The disproportionate categorising of Black Americans for ‘Deterrence’ is seen across the US. Overall, people of colour labelled as Black, Hispanic, Asian and ‘Other’ groups made up 54% of the ‘Deterrence’ category. In contrast, other categories of voters the campaign wished to attract were overwhelmingly white.

The 2016 campaign preceded the first fall in Black turnout in 20 years and allowed Donald Trump to take shock victories in key states like Wisconsin and Michigan by wafer-thin margins, reaching the White House despite losing the popular vote to Hillary Clinton.

Trump’s digital campaign, called ‘Project Alamo’ and based in San Antonio, Texas, involved a team from the now defunct British company Cambridge Analytica, working with a team from the Republican National Committee. Two senior members of the Cambridge Analytica team are working on the Trump 2020 campaign.

Cambridge Analytica collapsed after investigations by Channel 4 News, The Observer and the New York Times in 2018.

Facebook is facing calls to ban political advertising, following an international backlash over the use of its platform to spread misinformation, disinformation, and suppression during election campaigns.

The Trump campaign spent £44 million on Facebook ads alone during 2016, posting almost six million different versions of highly targeted messages that were pumped directly into the feeds of target voters across America, helped by a Facebook employee embedded within the Trump campaign.

But many of the ads were so called ‘dark posts’, which could vanish from recipients’ feeds once a campaign stopped paying for them.

It means no complete public record exists of the ads posted on Facebook during the 2016 campaign or the audience lists used to target voters. The platform offered no ‘Ad Library’ at the time.

Without Facebook or the campaign itself revealing the information, it means it’s not possible to ascertain exactly how potential voters in the ‘Deterrence’ group may have been targeted on Facebook.

The Trump campaign itself has categorically stated that it did not target African Americans.

Brad Parscale, the campaign’s 2016 digital director told PBS Frontline: “I would say I’m nearly 100 percent sure we did not run any campaigns that targeted even African Americans.”

But Channel 4 News has uncovered evidence that the campaign did target Black voters with negative ads designed to crush Hillary Clinton’s turnout.

These included videos featuring Hillary Clinton referring to Black youths as “super predators” which aired on television 402 times in October 2016 and received millions of views on Facebook.

In one confidential document seen by Channel 4 News, Cambridge Analytica admitted the Trump campaign did target “AA” (African Americans) with what it called the “Predators video” – spending $55,000 USD in the state of Georgia alone.

Reacting to the Channel 4 News revelations, Jamal Watkins, vice president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) branded it a modern-day suppression campaign, using data and digital technology to keep Black voters at home.

He said: “The thing that’s shocking slash troubling about this is that there’s this category of suppression. That ‘Deterrence’ part. So, we use data – similar to voter file data – but it’s to motivate, persuade and encourage folks to participate. We don’t use the data to say who can we deter and keep at home. That just seems, fundamentally, it’s a shift from the notion of democracy.

“It’s not ‘may the best candidate win’ at that point it’s ‘may the best well-funded machine suppress voters and keep them at home thereby rigging the election so that someone can win’.”

He added: “I don’t believe Facebook has fully disclosed their role, and fully disclosed the types of ads that were run, who was involved and literally how they may have been embedded in, say, the Trump campaign to make this all come to life.

“Facebook is a very profitable platform. It reaches billions of folks every day. It doesn’t need this kind of money. If it were to monitor and check these suppressive ads and say this is not the platform for this type of misinformation disinformation suppression tactics, Mark Zuckerberg would still live well, and eat well.”

Today, a Facebook spokesperson said: “Since 2016, elections have changed and so has Facebook – what happened with Cambridge Analytica couldn’t happen today. We have 35,000 people working to ensure the integrity of our platform, created a political ads library… and have protected more than 200 elections worldwide. We also have rules prohibiting voter suppression and are running the largest voter information campaign in American history.”

The Trump campaign, the Republican National Committee and the White House did not provide any comment to Channel 4 News prior to broadcast.



RE: 2020 Election - Dill - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 10:42 AM)GMDino Wrote: The hits just keep coming for the Trump campaign.

https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-strategy-to-deter-millions-of-black-americans-from-voting-in-2016

He said: “The thing that’s shocking slash troubling about this is that there’s this category of suppression. That ‘Deterrence’ part. So, we use data – similar to voter file data – but it’s to motivate, persuade and encourage folks to participate. We don’t use the data to say who can we deter and keep at home. That just seems, fundamentally, it’s a shift from the notion of democracy.


This part deserves special emphasis.

It's of a piece with the many individual state Republican party efforts at targeted voter suppression through legal innovations.

All amidst smoke and thunder about non-existent voter fraud.


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 09-29-2020

Disgraced former WH physician and Trump loyalist, Ronny Jackson, whose nomination for Sec of VA was derailed by reports of him drinking excessively on the job, is making the rounds on Fox News to accuse Biden of being on drugs. That's rich.


RE: 2020 Election - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 11:08 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Disgraced former WH physician and Trump loyalist, Ronny Jackson, whose nomination for Sec of VA was derailed by reports of him drinking excessively on the job, is making the rounds on Fox News to accuse Biden of being on drugs. That's rich.

Just taking his cues from Trump who has demanded Biden take a drug test accusing him of taking PEDs to explain away Biden’s lucidity.


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 11:34 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Just taking his cues from Trump who has demanded Biden take a drug test accusing him of taking PEDs to explain away Biden’s lucidity.

he's also running for Congress in a deep red district, so it's soon to be Congressman Jackson. Hopefully he doesn't drink in committee while ranting about the deep state as he is known to do. 


RE: 2020 Election - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 11:55 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: he's also running for Congress in a deep red district, so it's soon to be Congressman Jackson. Hopefully he doesn't drink in committee while ranting about the deep state as he is known to do. 

Without the reality tv background I’m not sure he is qualified.


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 12:28 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Without the reality tv background I’m not sure he is qualified.

what if I told you he has been losing tens of millions a year and has hundreds of millions in loans, likely a huge chunk from foreign lenders, that he can't pay.


RE: 2020 Election - Mickeypoo - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 09:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: I guess it would matter at some point.  I'm not sure if either of the VP candidates have taken questions from the press recently though but rather are letting the two presidential candidates have the spotlight.

Well the polls of both Dem and Rep think Biden won't make it through his first term.  That means Harris would be POTUS, yet she doesn't want to talk.


RE: 2020 Election - Nately120 - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 01:29 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Well the polls of both Dem and Rep think Biden won't make it through his first term.  That means Harris would be POTUS, yet she doesn't want to talk.

I don't know much about her, but it's hard for me to get concerned about her being in charge when we are comparing her to Trump or Pence or Biden.  It wouldn't surprise me if she were deemed the most logical and capable of the 4 after the debate dust settles. 


RE: 2020 Election - Mickeypoo - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 01:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I don't know much about her, but it's hard for me to get concerned about her being in charge when we are comparing her to Trump or Pence or Biden.  It wouldn't surprise me if she were deemed the most logical and capable of the 4 after the debate dust settles. 

This will make the Liberals happy.

https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ideology-score-placed-kamala-harris-as-the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72


RE: 2020 Election - Mickeypoo - 09-29-2020

So Biden refuses a joint drug test and now refuses a joint check for listening devices.

I'm not saying Biden is doing either, but why not just take the drug test and be checked for an earpiece?

Makes me think he is hiding something. I can kind of understand the drug test, but not being checked for an earpiece? Why not?


RE: 2020 Election - bfine32 - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 02:31 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: So Biden refuses a joint drug test and now refuses a joint check for listening devices.

I'm not saying Biden is doing either, but why not just take the drug test and be checked for an earpiece?

Makes me think he is hiding something.  I can kind of understand the drug test, but not being checked for an earpiece?  Why not?

Biden should make a deal:

"I'll get tested for drugs if you release your taxes." 


RE: 2020 Election - Nately120 - 09-29-2020

(09-29-2020, 02:31 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: So Biden refuses a joint drug test and now refuses a joint check for listening devices.

I'm not saying Biden is doing either, but why not just take the drug test and be checked for an earpiece?

Makes me think he is hiding something.  I can kind of understand the drug test, but not being checked for an earpiece?  Why not?

If an earpiece or some drug makes Biden competent then so be it.  Hopefully he sticks with it if he ends up in the white house.