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RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/15-year-old-utah-high-school-student-spit-assaulted-liberal-bully-wearing-trump-hat-video/?ff_source=instagram&ff_medium=social&ff_campaign=later-linkinbio-gatewaypundit&ff_content=later-10886043
15 year old high school student bullied and spit on for wearing Trump hat. According to the article, one of the bullies is being charged with a felony. Kinda funny considering none of these kids are even old enough to vote.
Also kinda funny: an actual quote from the article "The Gateway Pundit is not naming the student, due to his age, but spoke to his mother Meshyalah McElhaney"
RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Truth. The GOP isn't above anything to save Donald J Trump I guess.
I suppose when we were all saying they were putting party over country we were right.
Oh, so we're back to blaming the whole group for the actions of a few again? I wish we would make up our mind.
RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:45 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Oh, so we're back to blaming the whole group for the actions of a few again? I wish we would make up our mind.
Vast swathes of the GOP...is that better?
Or should I go with a few bad apples? LMAO Look, I'm sorry that republicans are this way. So many of them publicly and vocally willing to commit fraud just to help Trump and their party. I wish they were better but it doesn't seem they are willing to be that way right now. All while bellowing that the Democrats are "cheating" to win.
It's sad.
RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: Vast swathes of the GOP...is that better?
Or should I go with a few bad apples? LMAO!
swath
the space covered by the stroke of a scythe or the cut of a mowing machine. ... a line or ridge of grass, grain, or the like, cut and thrown together by a scythe or mowing machine.
Why are you trying to incite violence against the GOP?
RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-12-2020
Meanwhile more reps of the GOP don't even try and hide their desire to rig everything.
Kansas has 4 reps in the US House. Republicans hold all but 1 of those seats--the 1 flipped blue by @sharicedavids in 2018. Now the GOP is plotting to rig redistricting maps to make it impossible for her to win again. We must break their supermajority in the state leg & stop them https://t.co/INbPgTVUA7
— Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee (@DLCC) October 9, 2020
RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:51 PM)PhilHos Wrote: swath
the space covered by the stroke of a scythe or the cut of a mowing machine. ... a line or ridge of grass, grain, or the like, cut and thrown together by a scythe or mowing machine.
Why are you trying to incite violence against the GOP?
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RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: Look, I'm sorry that republicans are this way. So many of them publicly and vocally willing to commit fraud just to help Trump and their party. I wish they were better but it doesn't seem they are willing to be that way right now. All while bellowing that the Democrats are "cheating" to win.
All I'm saying is be critical of the people who are doing these shitty things. I'm not calling all Bernie supporters attempted murderers because 1 of them went and shot at some GOP senators.
Yes, ANYONE who attempts to commit voter fraud - regardless of reason - deserves to be punished for their crime and should be subjected to public ridicule. But, just because they belong to either political party does not mean that the party as a whole is guilty of the crime.
RE: 2020 Election - fredtoast - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:41 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Remember when Democrats said voter fraud wasn't a real thing? Seems we ALL were wrong.
Every Democrat I know has acknowledged what happened in the 9th District in North Carolina in 2018.
What Democrats have REALLY been saying is that voter fraud is not widespread with the use of mail in ballots or voter ID at the polls.
Basically people like me who know what was going on were not wrong. So don't lump us into "we ALL". None of us are surprised when we hear about a hanfful of ballots effected by some fraudulent behavior. And we also know that both sides do ti.
RE: 2020 Election - fredtoast - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 12:56 PM)PhilHos Wrote: . But, just because they belong to either political party does not mean that the party as a whole is guilty of the crime.
But there is only one party claiming they will lose the election because of voter fraud.
Just a coincidence that this is the same party that benefits by suppressing the vote? I don't think so.
RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 01:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But there is only one party claiming they will lose the election because of voter fraud.
So, again, we're back to blaming the whole party for the actions of a few? I really wish we'd make up our mind.
RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 02:16 PM)PhilHos Wrote: So, again, we're back to blaming the whole party for the actions of a few? I really wish we'd make up our mind.
When party leadership is making these allegations it is difficult to not blame the party. Of course, it's important that people recognize that the voters are not the party. The party is an organization that exists solely to win elections.
RE: 2020 Election - fredtoast - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 02:16 PM)PhilHos Wrote: So, again, we're back to blaming the whole party for the actions of a few? I really wish we'd make up our mind.
We all know that not every single person in either party 100% agrees with everything, but when the party leader/candidate for president makes a statement I don't think it is unfair to attribute it to the Republican party.
But since you are so upset about it please explain how YOU determine what the Republican Party has to say on any subject.
RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 02:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: When party leadership is making these allegations it is difficult to not blame the party. Of course, it's important that people recognize that the voters are not the party. The party is an organization that exists solely to win elections.
Who besides Trump is making the allegations though? I've tried a Google search and the first few pages come back only talking about Trump.
I mean I found this article about a Democrat INDICTED for committing voter fraud in my aforementioned search (it was the first non-Trump article)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/former-congressman-indicted-voter-fraud-bribery-charges-379935
But you don't see me claiming ALL Democrats commit voter fraud. Or even pointing out that maybe voter fraud actually is real and widespread.
Trump claiming if he loses it's because of voter fraud deserves all the criticism, but to equate it to the entirety of the GOP in Washington is just as wrong as me taking that indictment and saying voter fraud is widespread or the fault of Democrats.
RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 04:18 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Who besides Trump is making the allegations though? I've tried a Google search and the first few pages come back only talking about Trump.
I mean I found this article about a Democrat INDICTED for committing voter fraud in my aforementioned search (it was the first non-Trump article)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/former-congressman-indicted-voter-fraud-bribery-charges-379935
But you don't see me claiming ALL Democrats commit voter fraud. Or even pointing out that maybe voter fraud actually is real and widespread.
Trump claiming if he loses it's because of voter fraud deserves all the criticism, but to equate it to the entirety of the GOP in Washington is just as wrong as me taking that indictment and saying voter fraud is widespread or the fault of Democrats.
There have been some state GOP parties that are making these claims. Colorado, Montana, Minnesota, Florida, and a few others, I believe. They are even going to court with literally no evidence of fraud trying to stop mail-in voting and saying there is fraud occurring.
RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 04:52 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: There have been some state GOP parties that are making these claims. Colorado, Montana, Minnesota, Florida, and a few others, I believe. They are even going to court with literally no evidence of fraud trying to stop mail-in voting and saying there is fraud occurring.
I wouldn't call those people GOP leaders, though.
In any event, instead of criticizing the entirety of the GOP for making these kinds of claims, why not make a push to make it harder, if not impossible, to commit voter fraud? I get voter fraud may not be a big deal, but imagine instead of just saying it's not a big deal, you can say, "It's impossible to commit voter fraud because of XYZ."
Just one of the many issues I have with American politics. People are so quick to cast judgements yet so resistant to changes.
RE: 2020 Election - Belsnickel - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 05:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I wouldn't call those people GOP leaders, though.
In any event, instead of criticizing the entirety of the GOP for making these kinds of claims, why not make a push to make it harder, if not impossible, to commit voter fraud? I get voter fraud may not be a big deal, but imagine instead of just saying it's not a big deal, you can say, "It's impossible to commit voter fraud because of XYZ."
Just one of the many issues I have with American politics. People are so quick to cast judgements yet so resistant to changes.
Party officials in state parties and the RNC are the leaders of the party. Elected officials aren't the party leadership. This is one of my big issues with American politics. The parties are literally only there to win elections. The officials, once in office, are only loosely tied to the party and have no formal ties to it. They may caucus with others that were pushed forward by the same established organization, but they don't have to share platforms and really have no loyalty other than the parties hold the purse strings.
RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 05:30 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Party officials in state parties and the RNC are the leaders of the party. Elected officials aren't the party leadership. This is one of my big issues with American politics. The parties are literally only there to win elections. The officials, once in office, are only loosely tied to the party and have no formal ties to it. They may caucus with others that were pushed forward by the same established organization, but they don't have to share platforms and really have no loyalty other than the parties hold the purse strings.
Hey, if you want to get rid of the 2 party system, I'm right there with you.
RE: 2020 Election - fredtoast - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 04:18 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Who besides Trump is making the allegations though? I've tried a Google search and the first few pages come back only talking about Trump.
These people.
https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-guest-steve-bannon-says-democrats-will-concoct-some-effort-steal
Tucker Carlson guest Steve Bannon says Democrats will “concoct some effort to steal this election”
https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2020/07/29/the-morning-briefing-the-democrats-plan-on-stealing-the-election-n723454
The Morning Briefing: The Democrats Plan on Stealing the Election
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/mail-in-voting-is-only-democrats-latest-election-stealing-strategy/
Mail-in Voting Is Only Democrats’ Latest Election-Stealing Strategy
https://www.newsweek.com/voter-fraud-realheres-how-democrats-want-steal-2020-election-opinion-1509180
Voter Fraud Is Real—Here's How Democrats Want to Steal the 2020 Election | Opinion
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/05/24/mr-president-heres-how-you-stop-the-democratic-scam-of-the-century-n2569333
Mr. President, Here's How You Stop the Democratic Scam of the Century
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/03/24/are-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-2020-election-with-pelosis-new-coronavirus-bill-n382838
Are Democrats Trying to Steal the 2020 Election
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/09/the_democrats_upcoming_theft_of_the_2020_election.html
The Democrats' Upcoming Theft of the 2020 Election
https://drrichswier.com/2020/09/08/radical-leftist-democrat-coup-attempt-5-election-fraud/
Radical Leftist Democrat Coup Attempt #5: Election Fraud
https://votefraud.news/2020-09-21-how-democrats-plan-to-steal-2020-election.html
How Democrats plan to steal the 2020 election
https://canadafreepress.com/article/how-the-democrats-are-well-on-their-way-to-stealing-election-2020
How the Democrats are Well on Their Way To Stealing Election 2020
RE: 2020 Election - fredtoast - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 05:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: In any event, instead of criticizing the entirety of the GOP for making these kinds of claims, why not make a push to make it harder, if not impossible, to commit voter fraud? I get voter fraud may not be a big deal, but imagine instead of just saying it's not a big deal, you can say, "It's impossible to commit voter fraud because of XYZ."
Because all of the plans floated to make it harder to commit voter fraud suppress legitimate voting also.
Multiple Republicans have admitted this. The people who vote less when there are more hurdles placed on voting are generally to poor and disadvantaged. And those people don't vote Republican.
If I though widespread voter fraud really effected the election then I would be in favor of more limitations on voting, but there is no evidence that it does.
RE: 2020 Election - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-12-2020
(10-12-2020, 04:18 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Who besides Trump is making the allegations though? I've tried a Google search and the first few pages come back only talking about Trump.
I mean I found this article about a Democrat INDICTED for committing voter fraud in my aforementioned search (it was the first non-Trump article)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/former-congressman-indicted-voter-fraud-bribery-charges-379935
But you don't see me claiming ALL Democrats commit voter fraud. Or even pointing out that maybe voter fraud actually is real and widespread.
Trump claiming if he loses it's because of voter fraud deserves all the criticism, but to equate it to the entirety of the GOP in Washington is just as wrong as me taking that indictment and saying voter fraud is widespread or the fault of Democrats.
Bill Barr, US Attorney General, head of the Department of Justice.