(11-06-2020, 03:44 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Getting rid of fracking would kill a lot of states. North Dakota benefits greatly from fracking. They fund free college education because of their fracking. A big portion of their jobs and economy is fracking.

Estate taxes hurt farmers, because farms mostly stay in a family. Farms don't make much money, but the land is worth a lot. So when a farm is given to a descendent the land might be worth hundred of thousands of dollars (maybe even millions), but because farmers don't make very much at all they can't afford to keep it. I don't really oppose all estate tax in the most part, but when it comes to farmers (who don't make much) have to pay TONS for property that's already paid off by there family is pretty ridiculous.

The 2015 Obama "Clean water act" update hurt farmers because it made streams federal property and made it hard to use the streams on their property to irrigate their crops and supply water to their cattle. Sure, that would help people in big cities by claiming all streams as federal property, but it doesn't help farmers at all.


You can't govern all of America the same, because we have different problems. One solution in one area could cause a big problem in another. That's why each state needs a voice. That's why each state votes for who they want to elect. That's why popular vote isn't the best option in our massive country. It might work in other smaller countries (like European countries that are the size of a state, and all of Europe is just barely bigger than the USA), but this is a big country with a lot of different problems.

(11-06-2020, 05:23 PM)GMDino Wrote: McConnell, IMHO, never liked or cared about Trump.  Trump was just another tool for Mitch to use to control things.  So now he'll move along.

The more I think about it Mitch probably used Trump like Trump uses everyone else and it might be the first time it ever happened to DJT.

(11-06-2020, 05:29 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I think that's true about McConnell, but it didn't stop him from publicly defending Trump's actions and rhetoric over the past 4 years. It's hard to give him any credit for simply being opportunistic in calling Trump out when he knows he's lost.

(11-06-2020, 05:27 PM)Au165 Wrote: The party never believed in him and never liked him but preferred an "R" in the Whitehouse over the alternative. In reality, the Trumps will grift as always and be a thorn in the side of the party in the coming years trying to whip their base up to go after Republicans they don't like in an attempt to get back at them. 

They (Republican politicians) sold their souls and they will pay for it. When you F with crazy, crazy F's you back.

(11-06-2020, 05:09 PM)Au165 Wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/newt-gingrich-asks-attorney-general-bill-barr-arrest-poll-workers-2020-11

Citing zero evidence, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich asks Attorney General Bill Barr to send federal agents to arrest election workers in Pennsylvania

?⚖️BREAKING: Fed judge in PENNSYLVANIA denies GOP effort to toss ballots that initially contained errors that were later corrected (or "cured" pic.twitter.com/Hxo1sbSknY

— John Kruzel (@johnkruzel) November 6, 2020

(11-06-2020, 05:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: McConnell has disagreed with Trump numerous times in the last 4 years. The most recent example is stimulous. Firing Gorsuch and Syrian withdraw also come to mind.

(11-06-2020, 04:33 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Lol I guess most farmers shouldn't have a farm. That's pretty ridiculous. I would agree if farmers actually made some money, but I guess it's great to kill the people that feed the country. That makes you seem pretty insane honestly.

(11-06-2020, 05:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The only "insanity" is saying that farmers can not survive when given millions of dollars worth of farmland for free when there are some farmers who actually BUY THEIR OWN and make money off of it.


Who told you that farmers don't make money?  I know lots of farmers who make lots of money.  The claim the "farmers don't make money" is BS.

Any farmer who says he will go broke if he gets a $6 million dollar farm for $400K does not deserve to have a farm.

(11-06-2020, 05:36 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yeah, I never said he didn't. I only stated that he's also defended Trump's rhetoric on may occasions over the past 4 years. Graham had parted ways with Trump on occasion as well, but like McConnell, he's defended his nonsense much more often than not.

(11-06-2020, 05:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We'll just have to see how often Shumer calls out Biden 

(11-06-2020, 05:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We'll just have to see how often Shumer calls out Biden 

(11-06-2020, 05:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Fair reply, but I'll go with Mitch always reminded Trump where the true power lies. 

When Trump first hinted at non-peaceful transition McConnell told him that ain't happening before the first vote was cast.

Of course politicians are going to look for the closest life preserver.  

(11-06-2020, 05:29 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I think that's true about McConnell, but it didn't stop him from publicly defending Trump's actions and rhetoric over the past 4 years. It's hard to give him any credit for simply being opportunistic in calling Trump out when he knows he's lost.

Quote:US President Donald Trump on Friday quoted independent counsel Ken Starr, who stated that the state of Pennsylvania had conducted itself in a "horrible lawless way", which would hopefully be corrected at the Supreme Court.


Starr had opined that Governor Wolf and the State Supreme Court had flagrantly violated the US Constitution.
"This is what we know. We have to go back to the state level and how this morass came to be in the first instance. The Governor, Wolf, and the State Supreme Court, flagrantly violated the Constitution of the U.S. The power to set these rules and regulations is vested in the....Legislature. They just ignored that, ignored the Constitution. Now we bring it down to the counting houses, and outrageously, observers, who are the sentinels of integrity & transparency, were excluded. Pennsylvania has conducted itself in a horrible lawless way, and...." Trump posted Starr's opinion on Twitter.


Starr had also defended Trump, saying that the late ballots past the Election Day were illegal.



"...hopefully this will be corrected at the Supreme Court of the United States. Also, these late ballots past Election Day are illegal, exactly what the President has been saying. The Supreme Court, in extraordinary circumstances,........has been able to render decisions in a matter of days." Ken Starr, former Independent Counsel @Varneyco," he said in a subsequent tweet.

(11-06-2020, 05:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: So apparently the PA GOP is requesting SCOTUS to make sure the late-arriving ballots are segregated until further review. The Secretary of State has already ordered them to be segregated and the GOP even states they have no proof they aren't being segregated at this time but just want to make sure. At what point can we go after the campaign for these frivolous lawsuits and the taxpayer money they waste?

(11-06-2020, 05:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The only "insanity" is saying that farmers can not survive when given millions of dollars worth of farmland for free when there are some farmers who actually BUY THEIR OWN and make money off of it.


Who told you that farmers don't make money?  I know lots of farmers who make lots of money.  The claim the "farmers don't make money" is BS.

Any farmer who says he will go broke if he gets a $6 million dollar farm for $400K does not deserve to have a farm.