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RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Au165 - 01-15-2021

(01-15-2021, 02:45 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-capitol-arrests/u-s-says-capitol-rioters-meant-to-capture-and-assassinate-officials-filing-idUSKBN29K0K7?il=0

So again, not because they were provoked? 


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Nately120 - 01-15-2021

(01-15-2021, 04:53 PM)Au165 Wrote: So again, not because they were provoked? 

I'd say they were provoked by someone.  Most people don't just wake up and think "I'm going to force my way into a government building, cause harm to people in the process, and proudly post evidence of it on the internet so everyone will know I did it."

Now where did these people get the idea that it was necessary or patriotic to attack the government itself?  Where did they get the idea that the government was in the process of committing fraudulent/criminal acts upon the people and needed to be stopped?  Hmmmm.....

EDIT - These people also attacked media personnel...was there someone influential who gave them the idea that the media was their enemy? HMmmmm again....


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Arturo Bandini - 01-15-2021

Donald was still trying to plan another coup with My Pillow guy today at the WH.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1350186100564905985


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Nately120 - 01-15-2021

(01-15-2021, 07:00 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Donald was still trying to plan another coup with My Pillow guy today at the WH.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1350186100564905985

Come on, you liberals are going to look the other way when Biden and Ron Popeil inevitably team up to do the same thing.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Tiger Teeth - 01-15-2021

(01-15-2021, 07:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Come on, you liberals are going to look the other way when Biden and Ron Popeil inevitably team up to do the same thing.

Is he still alive?


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - GMDino - 01-15-2021

(01-15-2021, 09:16 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: Is he still alive?

Apparently he is.  85 years old!






RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Belsnickel - 01-15-2021

This is not a good look for Capitol PD.




RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - BigPapaKain - 01-16-2021

(01-15-2021, 10:20 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is not a good look for Capitol PD.


Some of those that work forces...


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - SunsetBengal - 01-16-2021

(01-15-2021, 10:20 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is not a good look for Capitol PD.


https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/01/capitol-hill-riot-was-pelosis-fault-not-trumps-daniel-greenfield/?fbclid=IwAR1aw3XVkL7GO3f2nA6vq1dD9fJgoNwr9mfvGLHtMiFHt8LuvXhwnlhCNJU

Quote:The Capitol Police have over 2,000 sworn officers. A police force dedicated to protecting Capitol Hill has more personnel in its service than the police forces of most of the country.

Congress' private cops are the 19th largest police force in the country. It’s a larger force than the police forces of Atlanta, Baltimore, Denver, or Milwaukee with a massive $460 million budget.
It’s the only legislative federal force in the country that is answerable exclusively to Congress.
While Democrats advocated defunding the police, their private police force budget shot up from $375 million in 2016 to $460 million in 2020. After the Capitol Hill riot, expect it to go higher.
Much higher.
The media claimed that the Capitol Police were overwhelmed by a massive riot. Except that the number of violent rioters was, at most, in the hundreds, while the Capitol Police could deploy a force the size that protects entire cities to protect a few buildings from hundreds of people.
Media narratives have blamed President Trump for not calling out the National Guard, but the military should not have been needed to supplement a police force as big as those of Atlanta or Denver, but was not tied down with an entire city to police, and really only had one simple job.
And it catastrophically failed at that one job.
When Black Lives Matter rioters, incited by Democrats and the media, besieged the White House, 60 members of the Secret Service’s Uniformed Division were injured holding the line while President Trump and his family were taken to a bunker. 11 members of the Service were hospitalized due to the violence of the BLM riot that Democrats falsely claimed was peaceful.
Much of the heavy lifting was done by the Park Police, another one of the innumerable mini police forces swarming the city, which has only 641 sworn officers spread across three cities.
65 Park Police officers were wounded in the BLM riots and 11 had to be hospitalized.
This roughly matches the 60 Capitol Police and 58 D.C. cops injured in the Capitol riot.
Attorney General Barr listed a figure of 150 officers injured in total in the BLM riots in D.C.
That puts the lie to the false Democrat claim that those riots were peaceful and these weren’t.
The only objective metric for measuring what is and isn’t a riot is the amount of violence involved. Both sets of riots targeted a center of government, the White House for BLM and Capitol Hill for the alt-right, and the BLM riot was objectively more destructive.
In the Capitol riot, Brian Sicknick, a pro-Trump veteran, was struck on the head, suffered a brain clot and died. During the BLM riots, law enforcement officers suffered concussions. None died, but that’s a matter of luck, not restraint on the part of BLM thugs using clubs and bricks.
Despite the heavy toll on the injured officers from the Secret Service and the Park Police, Democrats and the media falsely accused both forces of violently assaulting “peaceful protesters”. Instead of condemning the violence which included bricks, bottles, fireworks, and bodily fluids being thrown at law enforcement officers, Democrats formed a lynch mob.
Rep. Grijalva demanded that White House fencing come down and that the head of the Park Police come down to testify. The Park Police were attacked for using tear gas. The Washington Post assailed a Secret Service officer for using mace against a BLM rioter attacking him.
Unlike the Capitol Police, the Park Police and the Secret Service did not kill a single BLM rioter despite provocations and bodily injuries. The same can’t be said of Congress’ keystone cops who managed to kill an unarmed woman who was not physically assaulting them at the time.
During the BLM riots, Democrats and their media considered mace against a violent assailant an overreaction, but think that shooting an unarmed woman who was not attacking anyone to be an underreaction proving that it’s not about policing, but that leftist lives matters, others don’t.
But the tactical question is why the Capitol rioters got into Congress and the BLM rioters never made it inside the White House. Intruders have gotten into the White House before, but the Secret Service and the Park Police kept the violent racist mob from getting through.
The White House has better security, but the question is why is Congress’ security so bad?
It’s not for a lack of money or manpower. The Capitol Police force is ridiculously huge. It has a massive budget. But it also has virtually no oversight except from a corrupt congressional system. The last time anyone paid attention to the Capitol Police, they were bungling the Awan investigation under pressure from Congressional Democrats. But that’s what the ‘Caps’ are for.
The Capitol Police are a patronage force. Things have improved since the days when joining meant knowing the right people. But not by that much. The level of professionalism of the various D.C. forces is fairly low, and the Capitol Police are notorious as the worst of them.
There’s very little oversight of the Capitol Police whose leadership is notorious for ignoring information requests and complaints. The massive force answers to Congress and it acts less like a police force than as bodyguards for a fairly corrupt organization with no accountability.
But that’s what it is.
When the FBI raided Rep. William ‘Cold Cash’ Jefferson’s office, there was outrage and Rep. Nancy Pelosi signed on to a statement demanding that the feds return the papers that they had “unconstitutionally” seized from the corrupt Dem’s office. The issue at stake was the FBI, which answers to the executive, was not supposed to operate on Capitol Hill and on Pelosi’s turf.
"Not anyone here is above the law," Pelosi argued. But that was exactly the point. Congress had its own private police and the FBI was not supposed to set foot in her domain.
Now, Pelosi is complaining that the executive didn’t dispatch a force quickly enough to her aid.
President Trump, despite false claims by Democrats and the media, did not tell anyone to attack Congress. Like Pelosi and other Democrats, he supported political protests. The violence began while President Trump was giving his speech and had nothing to do with his words.
It was up to Congress and its private police force to secure the premises and stop the violence.
The Capitol Police failed badly where the Secret Service and the Park Police had prevailed against BLM’s attack on the White House. They failed in ways that are baffling and inexcusable.
The most obvious problem is that some Capitol Police appeared to allow many of the protesters inside. Why this happened is a subject of heated debate, but the range of possibilities include an environment where leftist protesters storming and occupying Capitol Hill had been normalized, sympathy by the police, provocation by some higher authority, or miscommunication. All of this reflects badly on Congress and on its private police force.
The Capitol Police had the manpower and the budget to secure Congress. And there’s no excuse why Congress could not and should not have been secured. There was no brilliant strategy here. And the Capitol Police, despite being praised as heroes, behaved ineptly and showed no coherent plan, some trying to deescalate, while others lashed out violently.
These mixed messages may have been due to the Black Lives Matter effect, a successor to the Ferguson Effect, which left many police officers afraid to resist criminals for fear of losing their jobs and even going to jail. When the White House came under attack, Attorney General Barr and national security officials rallied law enforcement personnel to make a strong stand.
When Capitol Hill came under siege, there was no congressional leadership to respond to it. Instead of taking command of the situation, House members panicked, squabbled, and let their private police flail with the situation while they hid away. The sharp contrast between President Trump and Attorney General Barr in Lafayette Square, and members of Congress waiting for their police force to protect them isn’t just ideological. It’s a basic question of crisis leadership.
Democrats and the media falsely claimed that what happened in Lafayette Square was a photo op for which peaceful protesters were gassed, but it’s how you show leadership in a riot.
Congress waited for their private police force to protect them whose members knew that whatever happened, they would be blamed for overreacting or underreacting to the protest by a leadership that doesn’t understand what they do and is sacrificing them to cover its asses.
President Trump, AG Barr, and administration officials gave clear orders to federal law enforcement to stand their ground. Administration officials then protected officers from the fallout as the same Democrats howling for the heads of Capitol rioters were howling for the heads of Secret Service and Park Police leaders who were holding back the hordes of racist BLM rioters.
Capitol Police members had no sense that Pelosi or that members of Congress were behind them. They were operating in a BLMized law enforcement environment in which violent attacks against police and timid responses to them by the authorities had been normalized. They had no clear orders, they were divided by their own political sympathies and by internal politics.
The Capitol riot should have been just another stressful encounter that would have been contained at the expense of injuring some officers and rioters without breaching Congress.
The media has constructed a false narrative in which the White House overreacted to BLM and underreacted to the Capitol riot. But it wasn’t the White House’s job to protect Congress. That’s why Congress has a force of 2,300 people and a $460 million budget with just one job to do.
The question of why it failed at that job ought to be directed to Pelosi and congressional leaders.
The Capitol riot is Pelosi’s disaster and she’s making the most of it by blaming it on everyone else. Her private police force had the resources and the people to keep out the Visigoths, never mind a few hundred people, and instead turned what should have been a riot into a disaster.
Whether that was intentional or not is a question that pits Hanlon’s Razor “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity” against Washington D.C. cynicism.
But there is little question that Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats have massively profited from their mismanagement, initiating proposals to impeach President Trump, expel legislators, purge Republicans from social media platforms, and to cut off corporate donations to them.
While the media propaganda blares non-stop, heads are quietly rolling at the Capitol Police, but don’t expect that to do anything except lower morale and water down the force even further.
Meanwhile the party of police defunding will see to it that the Capitol Police budget tops those of most major cities, that its ranks continue to swell, and that it remains as incompetent as ever.
And then the next disaster in Congress will also be blamed on someone who isn’t in Congress.
Why couldn’t Congress’ private police force of 2,000 protect it from a mob of hundreds? Don’t ask Congress. Just pay the $460 million, cry over the headlines, and keep your mouth shut.



RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Au165 - 01-18-2021

This is some movie level stuff here, in fact, many people are comparing it to "Burn After Reading"

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/pelosi-laptop-office-capitol-460147


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Au165 - 01-18-2021


Update: It seems it is due to a fire under a nearby overpass, but it does seem to show they are not taking any chances. The pictures coming out today of the fortifications are sad, it looks like a 3rd world country.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - GMDino - 01-18-2021

Another Trump supporter and "Oath Keeper", former military.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-former-marine-stormed-the-capitol-as-part-of-a-far-right-militia

Weird how all these guys are ALSO secretly Antifa.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Belsnickel - 01-18-2021

(01-16-2021, 01:29 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/01/capitol-hill-riot-was-pelosis-fault-not-trumps-daniel-greenfield/?fbclid=IwAR1aw3XVkL7GO3f2nA6vq1dD9fJgoNwr9mfvGLHtMiFHt8LuvXhwnlhCNJU

Why post an opinion piece riddled with assumptions in a response to an article based on evidence? You really ought to lay off the conspiracy theory sites, man.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - GMDino - 01-18-2021

(01-18-2021, 02:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Why post an opinion piece riddled with assumptions in a response to an article based on evidence? You really ought to lay off the conspiracy theory sites, man.

Graham was on a Sunday morning show where he "just asked" where Pelosi was and why she didn't have the Capitol better protected and said he'll get to the bottom of that.

 


They flip to being the martyrs/victims so fast it makes your head spin.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Belsnickel - 01-18-2021

(01-18-2021, 02:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Graham was on a Sunday morning show where he "just asked" where Pelosi was and why she didn't have the Capitol better protected and said he'll get to the bottom of that.

 


They flip to being the martyrs/victims so fast it makes your head spin.

This is my thing, each chamber has a role in overseeing the security. There is a Sergeant-at Arms from each chamber that is put forth by the majority party leadership. These two individuals sit on a board that oversees the operations of the PD. Other oversight is conducted by committees in both the House and the Senate. Anyone who tries to lay any mistakes the Capitol PD made at the feet of one party is just trying to avoid their side holding any blame. They are acting in bad faith and should not be listened to. Period.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Au165 - 01-18-2021

Did anyone see the new videos of the terrorists holding a Christian group prayer after taking the chamber? Could you imagine if they were Muslim? We would have gone and bombed another country in the middle east is my guess.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Big Boss - 01-18-2021

(01-18-2021, 02:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Graham was on a Sunday morning show where he "just asked" where Pelosi was and why she didn't have the Capitol better protected and said he'll get to the bottom of that.

 


They flip to being the martyrs/victims so fast it makes your head spin.

Graham is an enormous piece of shit.  


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Dill - 01-18-2021

(01-18-2021, 02:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Graham was on a Sunday morning show where he "just asked" where Pelosi was and why she didn't have the Capitol better protected and said he'll get to the bottom of that.

I think Graham might have a valid point here.

Given how Trump, aided by Graham and other Republicans, had for days been encouraging angry followers to come to Washington to "stop the steal,"

Pelosi should have taken direct control of Capital security on Jan. 5 and called on the president to bring in the Guard before his rally, so it would be on hand in case his followers went too far after his rousing speech to stop Pence from validating the votes.


Er wait, let me re think that.

Maybe Capitol security is more difficult than expected if the Commander-in-chief sees that security as compromising his own designs.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - NATI BENGALS - 01-18-2021

(01-18-2021, 02:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Why post an opinion piece riddled with assumptions in a response to an article based on evidence? You really ought to lay off the conspiracy theory sites, man.

Conspiracy theory site? What?

It would be kind of weird for anyone who complains about fake news to go to this source for their news.

For them to be unable to see the irony in that is totally ridiculous.


RE: Storming Of The Capitol Building - Au165 - 01-19-2021

It's now being reported QAnon members are plotting to pose as National Guard members in an attempt to infiltrate the inauguration. It's kind of ironic that QAnon is literally doing everything people have told us Antifa would do.