(05-20-2015, 07:37 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150520/us--oregon-charging_green_vehicles-eff38a74ea.html


Lol If this comes to Florida i will move

(05-20-2015, 07:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Is your objection the device that tracks mileage, or the premise of the tax in general?

(05-20-2015, 07:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Both.   They can track my movement for one thing.... There is already enough ways they are doing that now and violating us.    

Plus I don't want any more taxes.

(05-20-2015, 08:03 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The tracking is something I can understand an objection to. The problem is that one of two things will have to happen: a per mile tax or an increase in the gas tax.

The funds for highway maintenance are not cutting the mustard any longer because of more fuel efficient vehicles. But the problem is that while people are driving slightly less than they used to, it isn't enough to make up for the lack of funding for keeping the roads in repair. So we're going to see an increase somewhere regardless.

(05-20-2015, 08:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Taxes are always debatable.  Some of us want to pay less and some of you don't Mind paying more so the gov can waste it .... (I would assume you don't mind paying more taxes)  But tracking is a problem and this opens up to that.... When I was with progressive they had the little device to use for a discount .... So they could gather my data..... I refused that multiple times.

(05-20-2015, 08:23 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm okay with taxes for particular things, like this would be, especially on the state level. I want fiscal responsibility, but I recognize the need to actually pay for things, and at this point that we need to pay for the debt of prior years because there is no feasible way to balance the budget on cuts alone.

(05-20-2015, 08:27 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I don't necessarly mind paying for things.   It's the waste and disregard they take when spending our tax money.

We pay for a lot that I do not think we should be paying ....

(05-20-2015, 08:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I agree. We would probably disagree on some of the things we think are unnecessary, though most of the budget I think should be shifted to the states. Either way, there need to be a lot of cuts.

(05-20-2015, 09:17 PM)Benton Wrote: We encourage people to drive hybrids to use less gas, then complain because they don't use enough gas to support the taxes they require to continue.

(05-21-2015, 01:50 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: I live in Oregon and I don't like this program. As of now it's voluntary, but just feels like a foot in the door to make it mandatory down the road. I'm pretty sure if this does go widespread, it will end up on the ballot and be voted down.

(05-20-2015, 09:17 PM)Benton Wrote: We encourage people to drive hybrids to use less gas, then complain because they don't use enough gas to support the taxes they require to continue.

(05-21-2015, 01:50 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: I live in Oregon and I don't like this program. As of now it's voluntary, but just feels like a foot in the door to make it mandatory down the road. I'm pretty sure if this does go widespread, it will end up on the ballot and be voted down.

(05-21-2015, 09:54 AM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Why not just have inspections (this may already occur in Oregon, not sure) and then have the odometer read and compared with the previous year, then the taxes need to be paid prior to updated registration being received.  Not really sure why a separated device needs to be installed.  Unless you are only trying to charge for miles done in Oregon...

(05-21-2015, 09:59 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I was actually going to suggest this earlier but never got around to it. That was the purpose of my initial question. It is a simple solution that doesn't track movements but allows for a tax-per-mile solution. I think if they implement this, though, it should be universal and done in place of the gasoline tax. The problem is that they never replace taxes they just add to them.

(05-21-2015, 09:47 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, they didn't really think it through. They hadn't raised the fuel taxes enough to compensate for the lower gas consumption and now their budgets are hurting. I mean, hybrids and electric cars cause just as much wear and tear as regular cars, so the funds are still needed, they just aren't getting the revenues anymore.

(05-21-2015, 09:54 AM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Why not just have inspections (this may already occur in Oregon, not sure) and then have the odometer read and compared with the previous year, then the taxes need to be paid prior to updated registration being received.  Not really sure why a separated device needs to be installed.  Unless you are only trying to charge for miles done in Oregon...