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Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - SunsetBengal - 02-16-2021 Feehery of The Hill makes a strong case for DeSantis in 2024. I'm not surprised by seeing this article, as I brought up DeSantis a few weeks ago as a strong possibility for the Republican Party moving on from Trump, and was basically laughed down. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/feehery-the-floridian-the-democrats-really-fear/ar-BB1dJ6xu?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds Quote:Should Joe Biden decide to run again for president, one Florida resident represents the biggest threat to his reelection. And no, I am not talking about Donald Trump. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 10:56 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Feehery of The Hill makes a strong case for DeSantis in 2024. I'm not surprised by seeing this article, as I brought up DeSantis a few weeks ago as a strong possibility for the Republican Party moving on from Trump, and was basically laughed down. A lot of my friends in Florida don't seem to care for him because of how he's dealt with Covid but he comes off to me as Trump-lite: All the bluster, less of the ego. "Less" in the sense that he doesn't make it about *himself* he just insists he is doing it right and everyone else is wrong. In general I think the gqp field in 2024 will be heavy on the authoritarian/tough guy/I'm like Trump and will own the libz anyway so DeSantis would fit right in. And that's just a general feeling. If he runs or might run I'd do a deeper dive into his policies and and such. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Belsnickel - 02-16-2021 It's wayyyyyyyy too early to tell who will be the best bet in 2024 for the Republicans. Right now there is a potential split in the party, the identity of the GOP moving forward is uncertain, we don't know what's going to be happening in the next two years to mid-terms, let alone the next presidential race, and we don't know if Biden is planning on running for a second term. All of this being said, I don't think the author of that piece makes a very good argument. Florida hasn't been doing great during this pandemic. They have consistently been pretty high on the new cases and the death tolls. In addition, DeSantis tried to hide these numbers which resulted in people being silenced for trying to spread the truth and has otherwise shown himself to be very anti-First Amendment. So, if the GOP wants to continue down the path it has been going, which is one of abandoning its conservative principles, then sure, he could be a front runner. But if the GOP tries a course correction then he would be out. The next couple of years will tell. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Au165 - 02-16-2021 This reads like DeSantis's mom wrote it and lacks much grounding in reality. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - fredtoast - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 11:17 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: All of this being said, I don't think the author of that piece makes a very good argument. Florida hasn't been doing great during this pandemic. They have consistently been pretty high on the new cases and the death tolls. In addition, DeSantis tried to hide these numbers which resulted in people being silenced for trying to spread the truth and has otherwise shown himself to be very anti-First Amendment. So, if the GOP wants to continue down the path it has been going, which is one of abandoning its conservative principles, then sure, he could be a front runner. Beat me to it. Everytime I hear someone repeat this right-wing speaking point "Florida is doing great" I just ask to see the numbers to prove it. Florida has about 10% more total population than New York, but about 20% more Covid cases. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Wes Mantooth - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 02:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Beat me to it. Everytime I hear someone repeat this right-wing speaking point "Florida is doing great" I just ask to see the numbers to prove it. Here you go (cases, ranked, per 100,000 as of 6 days ago)... North Dakota — 12,887 per 100,000 population Population: 762,062 residents South Dakota — 12,367 per 100,000 Population: 884,659 Rhode Island — 11,274 per 100,000 Population: 1.1 million Utah — 11,106 per 100,000 Population: 3.2 million Arizona — 10,834 per 100,000 Population: 7.3 million Tennessee — 10,733 per 100,000 Population: 6.8 million Wisconsin — 10,344 per 100,000 Population: 5.8 million Iowa — 10,337 per 100,000 Population: 3.2 million Oklahoma — 10,262 per 100,000 Population: 4 million Arkansas — 10,234 per 100,000 Population: 3 million Nebraska — 10,051 per 100,000 Population: 1.9 million Kansas — 9,819 per 100,000 Population: 2.9 million Alabama — 9,681 per 100,000 Population: 4.9 million Indiana — 9,581 per 100,000 Population: 6.7 million Mississippi — 9,508 per 100,000 Population: 3 million Idaho — 9,302 per 100,000 Population: 1.8 million Nevada — 9,259 per 100,000 Population: 3.1 million South Carolina — 9,135 per 100,000 Population: 5.1 million Wyoming — 9,128 per 100,000 Population: 578,759 Illinois — 9,098 per 100,000 Population: 12.7 million Montana — 9,017 per 100,000 Population: 1.1 million Louisiana — 8,913 per 100,000 Population: 4.6 million California — 8,709 per 100,000 Population: 39.5 million Georgia — 8,698 per 100,000 Population: 10.6 million Texas — 8,687 per 100,000 Population: 30 million Kentucky — 8,617 per 100,000 Population: 4.5 million New Mexico — 8,502 per 100,000 Population: 2.1 million Delaware — 8,340 per 100,000 Population: 973,764 Florida — 8,338 per 100,000 Population: 21.5 million Minnesota — 8,322 per 100,000 Population: 5.6 million Missouri — 8,217 per 100,000 Population: 6.1 million New Jersey — 8,200 cases per 100,000 Population: 8.9 million Massachusetts — 7,935 per 100,000 Population: 6.9 million Ohio — 7,916 per 100,000 Population: 11.7 million New York — 7,699 per 100,000 Population: 19.4 million North Carolina — 7,694 per 100,000 Population: 10.5 million Alaska — 7,587 per 100,000 Population: 731,545 Connecticut — 7,422 per 100,000 Population: 3.6 million Colorado — 7,114 per 100,000 Population: 5.8 million West Virginia — 7,004 per 100,000 Population: 1.8 million Pennsylvania — 6,897 per 100,000 Population: 12.8 million Virginia — 6,258 per 100,000 Population: 8.5 million Michigan — 6,242 per 100,000 Population: 10 million Maryland — 6,049 per 100,000 Population: 6 million District of Columbia — 5,424 per 100,000 Population: 705,749 New Hampshire — 5,069 per 100,000 Population: 1.4 million Washington — 4,299 per 100,000 Population: 7.6 million Oregon — 3,507 per 100,000 Population: 4.2 million Maine — 3,097 per 100,000 Population: 1.3 million Vermont — 2,100 per 100,000 Population: 623,989 Hawaii — 1,869 per 100,000 Population: 1.4 million Source: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-confirmed-covid-19-cases-july-1.html RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BmorePat87 - 02-16-2021 Every state had the ability to see how New York responded when they were the first hit without any preparation or understanding of what needed to be done. New York then enacted policies to control the death toll starting in mid April and had been sitting at pretty good daily death numbers for months. Florida said "**** it" and didn't do any of those things, leading to a ridiculous amount of deaths. This included spikes when the rest of the country was experiencing a Summer lull. They were 19% above the average death rate and only Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, and South Carolina had higher death rates in the Summer than Florida. In addition to that, the general anti-democracy rhetoric, be it fighting to prevent former felons from voting or silencing statistics and speech, is just another reason why he doesn't need to be in any position of power. He could very well win the GOP primary. He fits the new populist archetype of what a Republican leader is now that the McCains, Doles, Bushes, and Romneys of the party are "RINOs". That side of the party will likely see a crowded field, though, and if the stalwarts of the old GOP are smart, they'll unite behind one candidate early and not allow 2016 to repeat itself, where one fringe candidate takes it with a consistent 30%. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - fredtoast - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 04:01 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Here you go (cases, ranked, per 100,000 as of 6 days ago)...23 out of 51 and it looks like the average for Florida is actually higher than the overall average for the entire country. Better than I thought but far from "great". RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - SunsetBengal - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 06:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 23 out of 51 and it looks like the average for Florida is actually higher than the overall average for the entire country. Maybe take a look at death rate per 100K. New York 2nd highest death rate from covid, Florida 27th. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ [attachment=983] RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Belsnickel - 02-16-2021 There is no one statistic that can be used to really compare New York and Florida, or any two states, really. Differences in timing, strains, climate, and numerous other factors in addition to public health policy make them all unique in a variety of ways. Right now, if you compare New York and Florida on the 7-day averages, they are in pretty similar shape. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Wes Mantooth - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 06:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 23 out of 51 and it looks like the average for Florida is actually higher than the overall average for the entire country. You would think they'd be dead last, or 1st (depending on how you look at it) when you hear about just dangerous and irresponsble their approach has been. Fwiw, Flordia has the 5th highest median age of resident at 42.4 years old. They've seen more travel to their state this year then any other single state in the country. They've allowed fans at sporting events, they've allowed bars to remain open, etc. etc. etc. Everything we've been told is these things are reciple for a disaster. Yet they rank 23rd in cases (per 100,000), and they rank 27th in deaths (per 100,000). They rank below both California and Illinois in deaths despite these two states (like New York) being very agressive in their approach to restrictions. How is that possible? How can the 5th oldest population rank 27th in deaths with such a approach, one that's been mocked and villified? And let me say this, don't mistake any of this for me being the type of person that wants everything open, or doesn't wear a mask, or thinks travel is a good idea. I'm not. I've worn my mask everywhere, and haven't been anywhere other than the Kroger and my local library over the last 11 months. I just think these numbers are very interesting. I'm going to be as safe as I possibly can be, and I would encourage others to do the same. But I do think there's a lot out there that supports the idea that a lot of those in power, along with the people advising them, really don't know what the best approach is to this is. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - fredtoast - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 06:52 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: They rank below both California and Illinois in deaths despite these two states (like New York) being very agressive in their approach to restrictions. How is that possible? There are lots of factors. Poor air quality (pollution) increases the transmission rate. More population in high density cities increases the transmission rate. New York City has over 8 times as many citizens as the largest city in Florida (Jacksonville). Chicago has three times as many. The fourth largest city in California (San Jose) has more citizens than Jacksonville. Plus due to the high traffic of tourism many of the cases contracted in Florida were counted in the states were the visitors lived instead of in Florida. Not sure how much all of these factors effect the numbers. All I know is that Florida has not done "great" when it comes to controlling Covid. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 10:56 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Feehery of The Hill makes a strong case for DeSantis in 2024. I'm not surprised by seeing this article, as I brought up DeSantis a few weeks ago as a strong possibility for the Republican Party moving on from Trump, and was basically laughed down.The bolded leaves me puzzled, especially the implication that fear of DeSantis' electability could drive travel limitations to Florida. I think that from a Trump supporter's perspective he has handled it "better" than anyone. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 04:01 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Here you go (cases, ranked, per 100,000 as of 6 days ago)... Fascinating differences here. I don't see how one can explain them without reference to state policies--especially South Dakota and North Dakota. It can't just be a matter of crowded population centers and international air traffic. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/north-dakota-south-dakota-set-global-covid-records-how-did-n1257004 RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - SunsetBengal - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 09:06 PM)Dill Wrote: The bolded leaves me puzzled, especially the implication that fear of DeSantis' electability could drive travel limitations to Florida. Given Florida's high population of retired folk, along with their very diverse community that includes huge population swaths of people most susceptible to the disease, Florida looks like a model compared to NYC. When you look at the entire State of NY, only the big city is very diverse. Once you get out to the upstate regions, it's pretty bland. I know that another poster drew attention to the fact that Florida's largest city is less than 1M population, but that is not a valid item for comparison, when comparing State to State. Florida is densely populated along an immense length of shoreline, in smaller cities, where people congregate in close proximity. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 09:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Given Florida's high population of retired folk, along with their very diverse community that includes huge population swaths of people most susceptible to the disease, Florida looks like a model compared to NYC. When you look at the entire State of NY, only the big city is very diverse. Once you get out to the upstate regions, it's pretty bland. I know that another poster drew attention to the fact that Florida's largest city is less than 1M population, but that is not a valid item for comparison, when comparing State to State. Florida is densely populated along an immense length of shoreline, in smaller cities, where people congregate in close proximity. Seems like pop. density should be a critical factor--but look at North and South Dakota. I Know both states well. Wide open spaces. The largest city in North Dakota has only 124,000 people. And yet they lead the nation in COVID cases, proportional to population. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - SunsetBengal - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 10:06 PM)Dill Wrote: Seems like pop. density should be a critical factor--but look at North and South Dakota. They also have a higher percentage of Native Americans than many other States. Can't forget about the vulnerable percentage of population in correlation to the total number of people. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Vas Deferens - 02-16-2021 Are the infection numbers skewed by “primary residence”? RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BmorePat87 - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 09:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Given Florida's high population of retired folk, along with their very diverse community that includes huge population swaths of people most susceptible to the disease, Florida looks like a model compared to NYC. If you remove context, sure. If you don’t, then you look at the fact that NY was the first to be hit and it was hit hard. From March to the end of May, as the nations struggled with a lack of supplies and understanding of how to respond to, they experienced 24k deaths, mostly from NYC. In the same time, Fl saw 2.5k deaths. Since then, NY adopted best practices and has had 20k deaths while Fl has had 26.5k deaths, primarily coming from the Summer months where most state saw a decline. By no means does Florida act as a model, even relative to NY. RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - SunsetBengal - 02-16-2021 (02-16-2021, 11:02 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: If you remove context, sure. It's a fantastic model, along with the perfect comparison. You've got NYC executing the authoritarian State, while Florida chose to let the people live how they choose. Were one States results dramatically better than the other? Not really, except Florida is dramatically better in terms of deaths per 100K population. |