(08-14-2021, 02:22 PM)samhain Wrote: For one, their governor is not the anointed heir to Trump and DeSantis is.  People spent months talking about how his lax approach to shutdowns and COVID restrictions was a stroke of genius compared to all the lib governors who were more cautious.  This all went down as the pandemic seemed to abate, and DeSeantis' star continued to rise as it seemed that the virus was a thing of 2020 and not 2021.  He had no problem riding that wave on the way to being the party golden boy.  I guess what I'm getting at is, if you're going to build your reputation on being a guy that was playing 3d pandemic chess while other governors were losing at checkers, you'd better be ready for a hard fall when you can't stake your reputation to such a claim any longer.  

What exactly is Ron DeSantis if he's not the guy who thumbed his nose at COVID restrictions and came out smelling like a rose?  He's just another MAGA ball licker.  Nothing more, nothing less.  The one trick pony doesn't even have the trick to fall back on anymore.

(02-24-2021, 10:42 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: 7 day average cases

FL 5893 NY 7396

7 day average deaths

FL 151 NY 126

One open and one closed

(08-28-2021, 10:01 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: updated as of 8/27

The same 7 day average

Case:
FL 21.7k
NY: 4.8k

Deaths:
FL 247
NY 26

Hospitalization (per 100 beds)
FL 28
NY 4

Positivity rate:
FL 19%
NY 4%

One open, one closed

(08-28-2021, 10:39 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: What are you talking about?  New York is totally open right now.  Cuomo lifted all Covid restrictions back in June. 

(02-18-2021, 02:48 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: You seem absolutely obsessed with comparing Florida to NY.

Why are you ignoring the plethora of other states that have taken a more agressive or strict approach that either are doing worse than Florida, or they're doing similarly?

I'm willing to listen and have my view changed, but I'm going to need  someone to explain to me how Florida isn't at the top, or the near the top (in both cases and deaths) if their approach was so reckless and stupid.

(02-18-2021, 03:17 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: There are numbers to support that drunk driving results in a DRAMATIC increase in accidents.  I'm sorry, I just don't see the same with the numbers here. 

I keep hearing about how reckless, and how stupid their approach was.  But when I dive into any and all of the data I can find there's nothing there to really support this argument.

In just looking at the numbers vs. Ohio, where we've taken I'd say a more agressive approach, we (Ohio) actually have slightly more deaths per capita.  This in a state that sees a fraction of a fraction of the amount of the amount of travel, and with a younger population.

When I look at California, or Illinois, or any number of states, nothing is really jumping out to me in comparison to Florida that shows that they clearly shit the bed here.

Quote:“He said he was going to end covid,” DeSantis said of Biden. “He hasn’t done that. We are the first state to start the treatment centers for monoclonal antibodies. Having great success with that. That should have been a bigger plan, a bigger part of this whole response throughout the country from the beginning.”


It’s very useful to note that this specific assertion about responding to the pandemic with miraculous treatments was exactly what President Trump tried to do shortly before the 2020 election. Similarly struggling with selling his product, Trump declared that an antibody treatment he’d received for his own infection was a “cure” that would soon be rolled out free across the country. Like DeSantis, he was trying to downplay the spread of the virus by suggesting there was a way to make it unimportant, that the pandemic could be beaten on the back end instead of the front end. This is a very useful bit of spin for a politician opposed to advocating wearing masks or social distancing: a pound of cure is politically worth a ton of prevention.


But Trump also never made antibody treatments a “bigger part of this whole response,” in part because he soon became focused on denying the reality of his reelection loss instead of the pandemic. That itself is of course another example of a politician trying to reframe a loss as a victory.

We slipped past DeSantis’s Biden promised to end covid line because the sheer amount of chutzpah it incorporates demands its own consideration. It’s a bit like a mayoral candidate criticizing his opponent for not ending home burglaries while also running a lockpick store. If more people got vaccinated and took precautionary steps to limit the virus’s spread, the pandemic would essentially be over. But DeSantis and other governors have decided not to embrace that latter step.

What’s remarkable about DeSantis’s effort to compare himself with Biden (as he did again later in the interview by disparaging the president for “forcing kindergartners to have to wear masks for eight hours a day”) is that, even in his own state, DeSantis’s handling of the pandemic isn’t viewed terribly well.

Polling from Quinnipiac University released this week shows that DeSantis has a better approval rating in Florida than Biden, with 47 percent of the state viewing DeSantis positively and 40 percent saying the same of Biden. But on each leader’s handling of the pandemic, Biden matches DeSantis just under the 50-percent mark. While independents in Florida are 11 points more likely to approve of DeSantis than Biden overall, they give Biden the edge on his handling of the pandemic. Republicans view DeSantis’s efforts on the pandemic about as well as Democrats view Biden’s, but they are also more positive on Biden’s handling than Democrats are of DeSantis’s.

Quote:ORLANDO, Fla. (WESH) — Central Florida hospitals are dealing with an overflow of COVID-19 deaths.


The Central Florida Disaster Medical Coalition is sending 14 portable morgues to area hospitals to help make room.

Florida foster dad to 75 children dies of COVID-19 after 4 cardiac arrests 
The following hospitals have been allocated portable morgues:

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AdventHealth
Halifax
Orlando Health
Leesburg
HCA-East Florida
HCA – North Florida
Steward
Cleveland Clinic
Health First
AdventHealth and Orlando Health have both been allocated three portable morgues each.

An email obtained by our NBC affiliate, WESH 2 News, Thursday confirmed that the Central Florida Division of AdventHealth has reached the capacity of hospital morgues due to the influx of COVID-19 patients.

The email from AdventHealth says the hospital system has begun using rented, refrigerated coolers at 10 campuses in Orange, Osceola, Polk, Seminole, and Volusia counties, adding those coolers are also becoming filled.

Delta variant could double risk of hospitalization, study says 
The email said, “We believe this backup is due to a throughput slowdown at local funeral homes which is causing us to hold decedents for a longer period of time.”

The hospital says in the message they are in contact with regional hospital disaster coalitions and a request for assistance has also been made to the Florida Hospital Association.

“Since there is no disaster declaration for the state, we are unable to request assets such as FEMORS, but they are being contacted for guidance,” the email said.

The latest report from the state says nearly 44,000 Floridians died during the pandemic, more than 1,700 than last week’s report.

(08-29-2021, 10:45 AM)GMDino Wrote: DeSantis is a somehow dumber Trump with less media savvy. 

(08-29-2021, 11:49 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: 100% agree.  I mean, have you seen his credentials?  Yale for undergrad?  Harvard law?  JAG Lieutenant?  Advisor to the Commandor of Seal Team One.  4 service medals?  Assistant US Attorney?  What a clown!!!

It no different than someone like that bimbo McEnany that Trump only hired for her looks.  Georgetown?  Harvard Law?  Cambridge?  What a joke.  Trying get an English degree from William and Mary like an actually qualified person in Jen Psaki.  Maybe use your brain more than your looks you blonde bimbo!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad people are calling out these buffoons.  It's amazing some of the people the GOP is putting out there.  Desantis is a freaking MORON!!!!!

 

(08-29-2021, 11:49 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: 100% agree.  I mean, have you seen his credentials?  Yale for undergrad?  Harvard law?  JAG Lieutenant?  Advisor to the Commandor of Seal Team One.  4 service medals?  Assistant US Attorney?  What a clown!!!

It no different than someone like that bimbo McEnany that Trump only hired for her looks.  Georgetown?  Harvard Law?  Cambridge?  What a joke.  Trying get an English degree from William and Mary like an actually qualified person in Jen Psaki.  Maybe use your brain more than your looks you blonde bimbo!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad people are calling out these buffoons.  It's amazing some of the people the GOP is putting out there.  Desantis is a freaking MORON!!!!!

 

(08-29-2021, 12:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: Boy you're sensitive about him. 

Further proof that an education doesn't alone make one smart.

Nor does one serving their country make them right.

Two good things but not proof of infallibility.

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar...and a skin hound who lied to the American people and should have stepped down from the office.

You can be smart and make dumb decisions.  You can be a soldier and be a bad person.


Here let me put in a way you'll understand: I prefer people who don't let the people they are responsible for die because of their bad decisions and then blame someone else.  

(08-29-2021, 04:02 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Did DeSantis shit the bed yet with covid?

(08-29-2021, 05:11 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I don't know

(08-29-2021, 11:49 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: 100% agree.  I mean, have you seen his credentials?  Yale for undergrad?  Harvard law?  JAG Lieutenant?  Advisor to the Commandor of Seal Team One.  4 service medals?  Assistant US Attorney?  What a clown!!!

It no different than someone like that bimbo McEnany that Trump only hired for her looks.  Georgetown?  Harvard Law?  Cambridge?  What a joke.  Trying get an English degree from William and Mary like an actually qualified person in Jen Psaki.  Maybe use your brain more than your looks you blonde bimbo!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad people are calling out these buffoons.  It's amazing some of the people the GOP is putting out there.  Desantis is a freaking MORON!!!!!

 

(08-29-2021, 05:11 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I don't know, did John Bel Edwards shit the bed with Covid?  Why doesn't he have his own thread where people say he has blood on his hands?

Go look up the death rates (per 100k) by state since the start of Covid; you may be surprised.  It's absolutely astonishing that this man who has been so reckless with his response has lower rates than many of his peers who were heavy-handed with theirs.  It's almost as if this idea that Desantis is the worst of the worst is complete bs.  It also leads me to believe there's a lot outside of Government control that causes the spread.  Crazy, I know.

(08-29-2021, 08:23 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You do, and if you answer truthfully, I'll respond to the questions you asked in your pathetic attempt to avoid addressing your past claims. 

(08-30-2021, 07:27 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm not sure what you're saying, here, because Louisiana is in the highest category of case rates in the country, but lower than Florida, and others in that top category are those that have been more lax: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100k

(08-30-2021, 12:52 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: As of last week, over the previous 14 days Louisana was worse than Florida in every single category.  The reason I referenced it was because of my earlier post that was seemingly avoided.  This thread ramped back up and I simply asked why no one was talking about Louisiana.  No one responded other than Nately.

Fwiw, as far totals from the beginning, you can pull the death rates (per 100k) since the start of the pandemic from that same link.  You just have to switch from 7 days to January 1st 2020, and from "map" to "graph" to get the numbers:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsper100k

1.) New York
2.) New Jersey
3.) Mississppi
4.) Lousiana
5.) Massachusetts
6.) Rhode Island
7.) Arizona
8.) Alabama
9.) Conneticut
10.) South Dakota
11.) Arkansas
12.) Pennsylvania
13.) Michigan
14.) New Mexico
15.) Indiana
16.) Georgia
17.) Illinois
18.) Nevada
19.) North Dakota
20.) Florida

I find this suprising.  Here's why...

-Florida is #2 is domestic tourism
-Florida is #2 is international tourism
-Florida is #1 in overall tourism
-No state has been more open during the pandemic
-Florida has 8 of the 10 biggest theme parks in America. (Think a Sturgis rally going on the entire summer in 8 different locations)
-Florida is the 13th most densely populated state
-Florida has numerous big cities.  I can't find the number, but I think it's 5 in the top 50.  Outisde of California and Texas, I'm not sure there's another state that sees the same population density in this amount of different places.
-Florida is the 7th oldest (median age) state in the country.

So just to recap... BIG state (3rd largest), TONS of tourism, TONS of attractions and highly visited places, a well above average population density, an older population, all coupled with some of the most disastrous policies and the approach from a Govenor who has blood on his hands from Covid deaths....  That equals 20th in death rate?????  I don't think so.  Something isn't adding up here, and it's not the easily verifiable numbers; it's the disastrous policy and approach part.

If he was nearly as bad as many of you claim they'd be #1, no question.  But they're 20th?  Tell how that is possible.