(09-17-2022, 07:54 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://nypost.com/2022/09/15/dems-are-upset-that-desantis-has-made-them-look-in-the-mirror-on-migration/

(09-17-2022, 08:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: NY Post swings and misses yet again with an article that is just providing confirmation bias to their readership.

(09-17-2022, 07:54 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://nypost.com/2022/09/15/dems-are-upset-that-desantis-has-made-them-look-in-the-mirror-on-migration/

(09-17-2022, 10:15 PM)Dill Wrote: Dems will NEVER get it.

The other Post mentions a historical precedent--The "Reverse Freedom Rides" of 1962, when white citizens councils duped
busloads of black Americans into a ride to JFK's home, to show the liberal yankees what its like in segregated states. If they share
the pain, then maybe they would stop ramming this "civil rights" and woke "social justice" crap down southerners throats.

Back then, as today, Dems were squawking about equality and ethics and human beings used as pawns and other liberal bullshit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/09/16/reverse-freedom-rides-marthas-vineyard-desantis/

lol "Hey, junior, the bus is this way! There'll be ice cream in Massachussets!" Imagine the look on this kid's face when he gets off the bus in Hyannis Port and no one greats his family with ice cream--or the promised jobs.



Then smug liberal volunteer relief committees spoiled the whole political lesson by feeding and finding work for these people, even though they were BLACK!!  And two years later, the Civil Rights Act was passed anyway.

Trump got it. De Santis gets it. But the more things change, the more liberals stay the same!  

Next move--maybe send the parents to one city and the kids to another! Make them adopt the kids who get lost in the shuffle.

(09-18-2022, 07:51 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: There it is… that liberal compassion that they will pat themselves on the back for - followed up with “ they will have to go somewhere else”.  

Nothing says taken in & taken care of like loading your ass on another bus and sending you somewhere else.

Sad situation all around which has been made exponentially worse by the current administration.

(09-18-2022, 08:52 AM)GMDino Wrote: They were taken to shelters.

If a busload of anyone showed up at my house and I didn't have the ability to care for them I would make sure they got where they COULD be taken care of as human beings.

(09-18-2022, 09:15 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Looks like you may be starting to comprehend the plight of our southern states. So the political ploy (As shitty as it is) may just be working.


 I don't believe for 2 seconds that the numerous multi-millionaire citizens of MV lack the resources to care for 50 people. 

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I wonder if it would help to explain some nuances of the Martha's Vineyard situation that may be lost on the general public.

These folks had already been processed by DHS and were in a private shelter getting ready to make onward journeys when DeSantis's people tricked them.



The U.S. government doesn't provide a dime for asylum seekers not in detention, but they also can't work for at least 6 months.

These folks were eager to work and it sounds like they agreed to go to Mass because someone said they'd get their work permits faster that way.

Meanwhile, these folks have upcoming deportation court dates all over the country. They will be ordered deported if they don't show.


That's partly why advocates are so appalled. DeSantis made these folks go out of their way and potentially sabotage their cases for a cruel prank.

The whole premise of the stunt (i.e. migrants burdening border states) is also absurd. If DeSantis had done nothing, many of these folks would already be at their original destinations across the country. Indeed, the busiest deportation court (SF) isn't even near the border.



Also, once again, the U.S. government doesn't care what happens to asylum seekers released from detention, so the fact that the folks are getting accommodated at the military base in Mass is also unusual.


To be clear, I think the lack of immediate accommodation or permission to work sucks. In fact, that's what made this whole ruse possible in the first place.



As an aside, the bogus brochure DeSantis's people gave out implied folks could get Refugee Cash Assistance. RCA is only for people who've won their cases. Ironically, in my experience, by the time people are eligible for those benefits, they make too much money to qualify.



Meanwhile, there's not a single red cent for people who show up at the border, often on foot and with only the clothes on their backs.



Correction: SF isn't the busiest overall, just in California. These are the top-10 busiest deportation courts. As you can see, not a single one is on the Southern border. The closest to the U.S.-Mexico land border (#6) is Dallas.

Source: https://trac.syr.edu/phptools/immigration/court_backlog/…




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(09-18-2022, 07:51 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: There it is… that liberal compassion that they will pat themselves on the back for - followed up with “ they will have to go somewhere else”.

Nothing says taken in & taken care of like loading your ass on another bus and sending you somewhere else.

Sad situation all around which has been made exponentially worse by the current administration.

(09-18-2022, 09:58 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Our immigration problems have been made worse on a grand scale by our current president & his doggedness to overturn all things Trump.

(09-18-2022, 09:58 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: This MV stunt has at least shined a light on those same hypocrites.

(09-18-2022, 01:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What specific policy decisions has the current administration made, not counting the ending of Title 42, that has made the immigration "worse on a grand scale?"

(09-18-2022, 02:42 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/09/16/fncs_heinrich_to_wh_do_you_think_the_current_immigration_system_is_working.html

Apparently none. 

(09-16-2022, 07:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This pretty well sums up my thoughts.

We could certainly have robust debates about whether our catastrophic and incoherent immigration “policy” of the last few decades puts different burdens on different states. But not treating the humans involved as humans strikes me as chillingly sociopathic.

— WontonKillingHat (@Popehat) September 16, 2022

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A group of migrants huddle on a sidewalk in Martha’s Vineyard, MA on September 15, 2022 (Photo by Jonathan Wiggs/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)


Popular Information has obtained documentary evidence that migrants from Venezuela were provided with false information to convince them to board flights chartered by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis ®. The documents suggest that the flights were not just a callous political stunt but potentially a crime. 


Last Wednesday, two planes landed in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, and dropped off about 50 migrants from Venezuela. DeSantis quickly took credit. The migrants were used as political pawns in the hopes of provoking a negative reaction from a liberal community. 

"When people are brought to their front door, they go berserk," DeSantis said. "Their virtue signaling is a fraud." But the people in Martha's Vineyard did not go berserk. Instead, they rallied together to provide shelter, food, clothing, and other necessities for the group. On Friday, Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker ® facilitated their voluntary relocation to Joint Base Cape Cod, which is "a safe temporary accommodation appropriate for the specific needs of families and individuals." 

The charter flights appear to be inspired by a Tucker Carlson monologue from July 26, in which the notoriously xenophobic host suggested sending migrants to Martha's Vineyard in "huge numbers."  




DeSantis reportedly sent a videographer along for the ride, and Fox News obtained "exclusive footage of the migrants’ arrival." 

In the aftermath of the flights, a key issue of contention is whether the migrants boarded the flights freely and voluntarily. While DeSantis and his administration repeatedly referred to the migrants as "illegal immigrants," the migrants surrendered to immigration officials after crossing the border into Texas. They are now seeking asylum from the repressive authoritarian regime in Venezuela. The migrants are legally permitted to remain in the United States while their cases are being considered by immigration courts. 

So these migrants are able to voluntarily travel within the United States. But many of the migrants told reporters that they were misled about the nature of the flights. Several migrants told NPR they were told the flight was going to Boston, not Martha's Vineyard. According to the migrants, a woman who identified herself as Perla also said that, if they traveled to Boston, they could receive "expedited work papers."

The allegation that the migrants were misled is legally significant. It would mean that the flights were not just heartless, but potentially criminal. If the migrants were misled, the scheme to transport them to Martha's Vineyard could constitute fraud, false imprisonment, or kidnapping. "There is absolutely the possibility of both civil and criminal liability if people were lied to about where they were going [or]  what they were going to get when they got there," lawyer Susan Church told Politico. 

DeSantis has been adamant that the migrants were not misled. He claims that migrants were provided with a map showing the destination was Martha's Vineyard and describes the flights as "all voluntary." Appearing on Fox News on Sunday Morning, Florida Lt. Governor Jeanette Nunez ® called allegations that the migrants were misled "categorically false." 

Popular Information, however, has obtained a brochure that was provided to the migrants who ultimately agreed to the flights. It was provided to Popular Information by Lawyers for Civil Rights (LCR), a Boston-based legal organization that represents 30 of the migrants. The brochure says that migrants who arrive in Massachusetts will be eligible for numerous benefits, including "8 months cash assistance," "assistance with housing," "food," "clothing," "transportation to job interviews," "job training," "job placement," "registering children for school," "assistance applying for Social Security cards," and many other benefits. 

None of this, however, is true.

A reminder that political refugees from Venezuela who request asylum upon arrival in the United States have not broken any laws. The people DeSantis tricked into boarding planes for Martha's Vineyard are asylum-seekers with established rights under US law. https://t.co/ocFJTpmEGP https://t.co/Mj74wWCoR2

— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) September 19, 2022

(09-19-2022, 01:18 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Side note, why would DeSantis send women and children there?  Isn't he trying to push a narrative that these people coming here are young men who are rapey criminals to be feared?  Shouldn't he have transported like, an entire gang of criminals who would run out of the bus and just start burning lootin' raping and a shootin' like all those Vikings the neo cons like to identify with?

It just seems to lessen the impact when a 6 year old smiling girl walks out of the bus.  Wow...horror!  Lock the doors!  It's a little girl!

Also, if any of them were pregnant could DeSantis be prosecuted for helping to transport a pregnant woman to a state where she could possibly get an abortion?  This guy needs locked up.