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RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BigPapaKain - 09-23-2022

(09-23-2022, 02:07 PM)Nately120 Wrote: He's gone woke. 

And he's wrong when he tries.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 09-28-2022

Just a little more on what the man who probably wants to be President did:

 


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 09-29-2022

This article popped up on Twitter and is from 2018.  It reflects the hypocrisy that is DeSantis and how he plays politics.  It seems timely given the current situation in Florida and how Biden has acted.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/08/10/ron-desantis-wants-to-lead-florida-through-hurricanes-he-voted-against-helping-sandy-victims/


Quote:Ron DeSantis wants to lead Florida through hurricanes. He voted against helping Sandy victims.

DeSantis gained stature among conservatives for his 2013 vote against a relief package for Hurricane Sandy victims. But then, as he was on the verge of declaring for Florida governor, he votes in support of a relief package that would help Florida residents.

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Published Aug. 10, 2018|Updated Aug. 10, 2018

One of Rep. Ron DeSantis' first votes in Congress was also one of his most controversial.

The day after he was sworn into office, Jan. 4, 2013, DeSantis voted against a $9.7 billion relief package for the New York and New Jersey victims of Hurricane Sandy.

"This 'put it on the credit card mentality' is part of the reason we find ourselves nearly $17 trillion in debt," DeSantis said, explaining his vote.

It was an eyebrow-raising vote for a Florida lawmaker representing coastal communities susceptible to hurricanes, but one that established DeSantis in Washington's most conservative circles.

DeSantis cast quite a different vote last October. With Florida, Texas and Puerto Rico reeling from Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria, Congress took up a $36.5 billion relief package. This time, DeSantis, on the verge of launching a campaign for governor, voted for it.



Nationally, DeSantis and other gulf-state Republicans were tagged as hypocrites. At home, he faced accusations of political opportunism.


Now running to lead a state under constant threat of hurricanes, DeSantis' votes continue to be scrutinized. It was highlighted in an opposition research file on DeSantis earlier this year, and his Republican primary opponent Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam has criticized his disaster record on the campaign trail.

"Florida families impacted by natural disasters have suffered enough and shouldn't have to worry about further destruction at the hands of Hurricane Ron," Putnam spokeswoman Meredith Beatrice said.

DeSantis' Congressional office refuted any inconsistency in his record. The two disaster packages were different, spokeswoman Elizabeth Fusick said.

"Congressman DeSantis has supported funding for (Federal Emergency Management Agency) and disaster relief and has voted in favor of emergency spending when immediate and necessary," Fusick said.
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The vote against the Sandy relief bill was a display of defiance by the conservative wing of the GOP after President Barack Obama was elected to a second term.


Many of 67 who voted against it — including DeSantis — would later form the Freedom Caucus, a conservative bloc that has stymied budget deals, threatened a shut down over immigration and helped drive former House Speaker John Boehner to retirement.




But after Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria, many Republicans who voted against aid for New York and New Jersey had to explain themselves.

In a Facebook post, DeSantis called the response an "all-hands-on-deck" situation that necessitated a "massive response." It was different than the disaster package for Sandy, which he said was loaded with projects that weren't emergency-related.

"It was mostly a measure for long-term projects that should have been funded through the normal appropriations process," Fusick said.

Fact-checkers have routinely flagged similar claims as misleading. Most of the money went toward a bailout of the National Flood Insurance Program so people who had their homes destroyed by Sandy could be paid, or to fix infrastructure, like train lines, damaged by the storm. Some of those rebuilding projects took several years.

Meanwhile, conservative organizations were just as critical of the 2017 relief package for Harvey, Irma and Maria as they were about the Sandy bill. Many urged lawmakers to vote against it.

For example, the Tea Party-inspired Freedom Works and the conservative Heritage Action both took positions against the last year's disaster bill.

Members of Congress who voted for it received a negative mark in each organization's annual "scorecard." DeSantis' scorecard took the hit.



"Federal relief to victims of hurricanes is warranted," Heritage Action said of the $36.5 billion package, "but Congress must act in a fiscally responsible manner by offsetting funding that is not truly 'emergency' in nature."
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DeSantis has broken from House conservatives on another issue closely watched by Floridians: the National Flood Insurance Program.


The program covers 5 million homeowners and business owners located in flood zones, including nearly 1.8 million in Florida. It is more than $20 billion in debt to the federal treasury.

DeSantis voted against a bailout of the program in 2013 after Sandy. Later that year, he joined House conservatives in opposing a measure that would have kept insurance rates at affordable levels for most homeowners. Most of Florida's Congressional delegation voted for it, and it passed the House.

But since 2016, when DeSantis briefly ran for U.S. Senate, he has typically sided with his Florida colleagues to support short term extensions of the flood insurance program despite adding to its debt. There were two exceptions.

DeSantis skipped a vote to extend the program on September 8, 2017. Most Florida members of Congress did — that's when Irma was about to hit the state.

He also voted against an extension this March because it was tucked into a $1.3 trillion, 2,232 page omnibus spending bill, and DeSantis opposed how it was put together.



"Nobody had time to read it, much less understand it," DeSantis said.

The most recent extension, signed by President Donald Trump on July 31, keeps the program alive through Nov. 30 — after the 2018 hurricane season (and the midterm elections).

Though he voted for it, DeSantis says the program is in need of reform.

Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a budget watchdog group, said the short-term extensions are politically prudent for lawmakers who don't want to make a tough vote near election time.

"Congress isn't being serious about this," Ellis said. "If past is prologues were going to be talking about this around Thanksgiving time and once again we'll hear, 'Oh my god, we need another extension.'"

Even NOW he is trying to play the tough guy conservative with non-answers like this:

 


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - pally - 09-29-2022

So my tax dollars will be flowing into Florida, yet again, to rebuild the state from another devastating hurricane. The governor, who publically decries government spending, is begging for help (and will get it despite political differences, a change from the previous administration). And they will rebuild again in the flood plains and vulnerable barrier islands only for them to be destroyed in the next hurricane. More Florida residents will be unable to obtain homeowners insurance, a problem ignored by DeSantis, in favor of promoting self serving culture wars


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 09-29-2022

(09-29-2022, 11:15 AM)pally Wrote: So my tax dollars will be flowing into Florida, yet again, to rebuild the state from another devastating hurricane.  The governor, who publically decries government spending, is begging for help (and will get it despite political differences, a change from the previous administration).  And they will rebuild again in the flood plains and vulnerable barrier islands only for them to be destroyed in the next hurricane.  More Florida residents will be unable to obtain homeowners insurance, a problem ignored by DeSantis, in favor of promoting self serving culture wars

I had heard that after the last big hurricane they updated their building codes, but the insurance problem does linger.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 09-30-2022

(09-29-2022, 11:15 AM)pally Wrote: So my tax dollars will be flowing into Florida, yet again, to rebuild the state from another devastating hurricane.  The governor, who publically decries government spending, is begging for help (and will get it despite political differences, a change from the previous administration).  And they will rebuild again in the flood plains and vulnerable barrier islands only for them to be destroyed in the next hurricane.  More Florida residents will be unable to obtain homeowners insurance, a problem ignored by DeSantis, in favor of promoting self serving culture wars

When DeSantis asked for federal aid Biden should have just bussed a bunch of MAGA sex offenders down to Florida where they belong instead.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BmorePat87 - 10-04-2022

me seeing DeSantis ask for federal aid after voting against similar aid in the past

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RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 10-05-2022

They always project what they believe on to everyone else.

He doesn't care about people so he assumes no one else does.

 


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 10-05-2022

(10-05-2022, 11:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: They always project what they believe on to everyone else.

He doesn't care about people so he assumes no one else does.

 

He may be right.  If 9/11 happens today I bet half the country would cheer for an attack on the godless woke liberals in NYC. 

We've become so acclimated to fear politics we had to make the enemy ourselves.  Where do we go from here?


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BigPapaKain - 10-13-2022

So I just seen that the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's vineyard have been determined to be the victims of a crime and thus are getting a fast pass on their green cards.

You can't make this shit up. It's like Saturday morning cartoon levels of dumb.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 10-13-2022

(10-13-2022, 04:12 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: So I just seen that the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's vineyard have been determined to be the victims of a crime and thus are getting a fast pass on their green cards.

You can't make this shit up. It's like Saturday morning cartoon levels of dumb.

When the goals are publicity and "makes the libs cry" you just think they any of them think through what they are doing.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BigPapaKain - 10-13-2022

(10-13-2022, 05:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: When the goals are publicity and "makes the libs cry" you just think they any of them think through what they are doing.

Sounds like the kind of guy we need leading the country.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 10-24-2022

And see if you can't teach history then no one will know you are wrong!




RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - GMDino - 10-25-2022

DeSantis gets smacked, has no answer, and offers a not even very good insult.

He's so soft.

 


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BigPapaKain - 10-25-2022

(10-24-2022, 11:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: And see if you can't teach history then no one will know you are wrong!


I wonder if he could name the schools where kids are being labeled oppressors or oppressed, or if this is just information being passed to him by a teacher friend who he trusts.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 10-26-2022

DeSantis will win re-election, but I will say his flopping on the debate stage has me concerned we are taking another step towards a Trump/MTG ticket in 2024, and lordy a damn near 80 year old Trump keeping her from being president is terrifying.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BigPapaKain - 10-26-2022

(10-26-2022, 12:56 PM)Nately120 Wrote: DeSantis will win re-election, but I will say his flopping on the debate stage has me concerned we are taking another step towards a Trump/MTG ticket in 2024, and lordy a damn near 80 year old Trump keeping her from being president is terrifying.

I wonder if conservatives will stick to their guns about voting for a candidate over 80.

We know they won't, but I like to think I'd be surprised.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 10-26-2022

(10-26-2022, 02:27 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I wonder if conservatives will stick to their guns about voting for a candidate over 80.

We know they won't, but I like to think I'd be surprised.



Chuck Grassley is about to be elected to a term where he will be in 89-95 years old.

Personally,  I find the notion of limiting the age of politicians to be an odd thing because if someone over a certain age can't be expected to serve in office, people who are above that age shouldn't be allowed to vote for the same reasons.


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BengalYankee - 10-26-2022

(09-30-2022, 10:17 AM)Nately120 Wrote: When DeSantis asked for federal aid Biden should have just bussed a bunch of MAGA sex offenders down to Florida where they belong instead.

So would you be equally happy if a Republican president sent by plane liberal sex offenders to Pittsburg? 

Keep in mind Biden has been sending illegal aliens all over the country at all different times.

Keep in mind The El Paso Mayor[D] has been sending illegal aliens to Chicago and New York.

 https://www.yahoo.com/video/white-house-pressured-el-paso-140207643.html?guccounter=1

Where is the outrage when Biden or the El Paso Mayor sends more people to Northern cities?

Next comes the biased replies. Yawn


RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 10-26-2022

(10-26-2022, 06:24 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: So would you be equally happy if a Republican president sent by plane liberal sex offenders to Pittsburg? 

Keep in mind Biden has been sending illegal aliens all over the country at all different times.

Keep in mind The El Paso Mayor[D] has been sending illegal aliens to Chicago and New York.

 https://www.yahoo.com/video/white-house-pressured-el-paso-140207643.html?guccounter=1

Where is the outrage when Biden or the El Paso Mayor sends more people to Northern cities?

Next comes the biased replies. Yawn

My post was a hyperbolic joke about DeSantis scuffing up his knees to ask the federal government for aid. Personally, I find the idea of politicians using tax money to knowingly send "bad people" to areas where they hope they have a greater chance of harming people who support the opposing party to be pretty reprehensible and divisive.

Even if you appreciate such things, I can't imagine republicans or independents or non-voters in Pittsburgh will appreciate DeSantis sending sex offenders their way because the area happens to be "mostly blue." Hell, why doesn't someone run for president on the promise of dropping bombs on states that don't vote for him?

And here is a biased reply for you:  Neither Trump nor Biden should be president.  I will say seeing DeSantis flounder in a debate against a man who used to represent the GOP doesn't bode well for his 2024 bid.