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RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 10-29-2022
(10-29-2022, 05:26 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Tulsi and Hillary are not friends. What Hillary did was take information before a debate from Donna Brazile about Bernie Sanders.
Tulsi being the Executive ViceChairperson told the Chairperson this was not right, but was rejected and simply resigned.
Hillary never forgave Tulsi and to that matter Bernie so she declared war on Tulsi.
https://observer.com/2016/10/breaking-dnc-chief-donna-brazile-leaked-sanders-info-to-clinton-campaign/
I'm guessing this is some kind of defense of Gabbard. She went for Bernie, against DNC wishes, and was told she would not longer receive funds from the DNC. Surprise surprise.
But how is it a response to my point--that being on a talk show alone does not define one's politics,
one's politics define one's politics?
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BengalYankee - 10-29-2022
(10-29-2022, 08:16 AM)pally Wrote: The so called Pro-life guy who was “gone-after” not because he prayed in front of a clinic. He was arrested because he beat an elderly man who was escorting a woman into the clinic. He refused the option of turning himself in so they issued a warrant. You have no idea what anyone is doing in conjunction with the various acts of vandalism. Unfortunately it is a reality that it is virtually impossible to charge these types of crimes absent video evidence.
Lol, those are your facts.
My facts are better your "so called Pro-life guy" is named Mark Houck whose 12 year old son was being verbally abused.
As someone stated in another thread about Reverend Warnock running over the foot of his ex-wife the local authorities distilled no charges.
Similarly, in this case after the "altercation" no charges were filed.
The gentleman that was verbally abusing Mark's 12 year old son[which can legally be an assault] did a criminal case against Mark, but that gentleman never appeared.
The DOJ THEN got involved and contrary to what you wrote volunteered to turn himself in but received no response from the Federalies.
Over 25 armed DOJ went to his home guns drawn and arrested him.
Where are the arrests of hundreds of attacks on Church's and other facilities that give women counseling and help on keeping their babies?
You conveniently left this out and the other facts I provided. Typical.
Folks, here are the facts.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BengalYankee - 10-29-2022
(10-29-2022, 12:07 PM)Dill Wrote: https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/tulsi-gabbard-compares-joe-biden-to-adolf-hitler/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrat-tulsi-gabbard-says-she-feels-right-at-home-at-cpac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6MdOQYvHU0
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/tulsi-gabbard-campaigns-for-adam-laxalt-in-las-vegas-2666508/
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2022/10/28/why-former-democrat-tulsi/
Why waste my time Dill and lie???
I asked please send me links where she liked applause from "MAGA" crowds shouting "lock her up".
If you are going to continue to lie with fake links then I won't respond yo you.
As for as your links, Tulsi is no longer a Democrat and can appear or endorse "Republican" candidates.
As an Independent, I applaud Obama's relaxing relations with Cuba and I am against Trump pushing back on those relations and Biden continuing Trump's position with Cuba. I expected Biden to reverse Trump's position with Cuba and normalize relations with Cuba.
Prior to this post I did not know what Tulsi's policy was on Cuba. Now, I know, she is with President Obama and myself on the Cuba policy.
https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/tulsi-gabbard/policies/foreign-policy/cuba-2
I advise you to read slowly and let it marinate in your head her other policies and NOT what show she goes on, that is stupid.
P.S. I don't agree with all of her policies, but I think she is more level-headed than most Democrats and Republicans.
If you want to have an intelligent conversation engage me with what policies you differ with Tulsi and again NOT what show or who this Independent endorses.
Thank you.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 10-29-2022
(10-29-2022, 01:59 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Why waste my time Dill and lie???
I asked please send me links where she liked applause from "MAGA" crowds shouting "lock her up".
If you are going to continue to lie with fake links then I won't respond yo you.
As for as your links, Tulsi is no longer a Democrat and can appear or endorse "Republican" candidates.
I sometimes think my fellow posters are "lying," but I never accuse them of that. In absence of proof, I remain silent rather than
launch accusations based on impressions; If I have proof then I post it in the form of statements which contradict one another. Let the evidence speak.
I told you that Gabbard is now speaking before "lock her up" MAGA crowds and enjoying their applause. The claim is not that the crowds were shouting "lock her up" while Gabbard was speaking. "locker her up" functions as an adjective to describe the type of crowd--a rowdy Trump-loving MAGA crowd, with Trumpian contempt for rule of law, love of the Big Lie, and desire for vengeance. Not a crowd whose politics I'd like to validate. In any case, there is no important distinction here between ginning them up to lock up an innocent person for political reasons and ginning them up so they'll vote for an election denier who will help Trump seek vengeance.
My claim is that she now speaks before such MAGA crowds frequently, feeding off their applause, and yes, enjoying it. And this will be the test of those "16 positions" which supposedly align with Dems. Right wing pundits are going over her record now, noting the very points you think make her "independent"; they'll be interviewing her about them. I'm saying let's see what she sticks with and what new positions she adopts.
The "fake links" do show endorsement of MAGA candidates before MAGA crowds, don't they? If you think they don't, why not? In what sense are they "fake." She feels "at home" speaking a CPAC, right?
Sure she can "endorse" whomever she wants. No one was disputing that, right? So no need to "prove" it. The question is what her political choices now show about her politics.
I.e., she is choosing to help the campaigns of election deniers, people who will be disrupting the upcoming midterms. If they get control of Congress, there's no chance those Dem "positions" she supposedly endorses will become law, including your Cuba policy discussed below. So she is recording her priorities with these endorsements.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 10-29-2022
(10-29-2022, 01:59 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: As an Independent, I applaud Obama's relaxing relations with Cuba and I am against Trump pushing back on those relations and Biden continuing Trump's position with Cuba. I expected Biden to reverse Trump's position with Cuba and normalize relations with Cuba.
Prior to this post I did not know what Tulsi's policy was on Cuba. Now, I know, she is with President Obama and myself on the Cuba policy.
https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/tulsi-gabbard/policies/foreign-policy/cuba-2
I advise you to read slowly and let it marinate in your head her other policies and NOT what show she goes on, that is stupid.
P.S. I don't agree with all of her policies, but I think she is more level-headed than most Democrats and Republicans.
If you want to have an intelligent conversation engage me with what policies you differ with Tulsi and again NOT what show or who this Independent endorses.
Thank you.
??? following a conversation with you is like trying to catch a grasshopper.
So now Gabbard agrees with you and Obama on Cuba policy. ?? So then . . . ???
And I look at what show people go on as opposed to their policies? ???
I guess, even if I repeatedly say that the politics of politicians is not defined by the show they are on, but the things they say and do on that show, that doesn't register??
But endorsing a candidate is not like going on a talk show. Endorsing a candidate is ENDORSING a candidate. If Tulsi endorses election deniers, that does say something about her political direction. She wants them to win over candidates who do not accept Trump's lie.
Telling me that you, she, and Obama agree that marijuana should not be criminalized or relations restored with Cuba, or some such, does not even this out.
What I really would like to know is if you and Gabbard agree with Trump that the election was stolen, and that the people who stole it need to be punished, and the Republican election deniers can be trusted to run elections fairly while Dems cannot.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - pally - 10-29-2022
(10-29-2022, 01:34 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Lol, those are your facts.
My facts are better your "so called Pro-life guy" is named Mark Houck whose 12 year old son was being verbally abused.
As someone stated in another thread about Reverend Warnock running over the foot of his ex-wife the local authorities distilled no charges.
Similarly, in this case after the "altercation" no charges were filed.
The gentleman that was verbally abusing Mark's 12 year old son[which can legally be an assault] did a criminal case against Mark, but that gentleman never appeared.
The DOJ THEN got involved and contrary to what you wrote volunteered to turn himself in but received no response from the Federalies.
Over 25 armed DOJ went to his home guns drawn and arrested him.
Where are the arrests of hundreds of attacks on Church's and other facilities that give women counseling and help on keeping their babies?
You conveniently left this out and the other facts I provided. Typical.
Folks, here are the facts.
Your kid getting yelled out at a place he had no business being in the first place is not a reason to commit physical assault. I don't know what lesson he was trying to teach his son at that moment other than others may not be appreciative of being forced to adhere to someone else's religious beliefs. Mr. Houk's entire purpose behind his presence at the clinic was to harass and harangue people LEGALLY entering the clinic and utilizing its LEGAL services. Mr Houk had other options such as removing his son from the area or calling the police to help de-escalate the situation. He chose violence. Maybe Houk should start putting the well-being of his post-birth children first for a change instead of using them for political purposes. Mrs. Houk's comments to right-wing media should be taken with a grain of salt as she has the same political agenda as her husband. Her story is uncorroborated.
Show me where these incidences of vandalism have not been investigated. Show me where they have suspects with convictable evidence go free
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BengalYankee - 11-03-2022
(10-29-2022, 05:01 PM)Dill Wrote: But endorsing a candidate is not like going on a talk show. Endorsing a candidate is ENDORSING a candidate.
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RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BengalYankee - 11-03-2022
(10-29-2022, 07:19 PM)pally Wrote: Your kid getting yelled out at a place he had no business being in the first place is not a reason to commit physical assault. I don't know what lesson he was trying to teach his son at that moment other than others may not be appreciative of being forced to adhere to someone else's religious beliefs. Mr. Houk's entire purpose behind his presence at the clinic was to harass and harangue people LEGALLY entering the clinic and utilizing its LEGAL services. Mr Houk had other options such as removing his son from the area or calling the police to help de-escalate the situation. He chose violence. Maybe Houk should start putting the well-being of his post-birth children first for a change instead of using them for political purposes. Mrs. Houk's comments to right-wing media should be taken with a grain of salt as she has the same political agenda as her husband. Her story is uncorroborated.
Show me where these incidences of vandalism have not been investigated. Show me where they have suspects with convictable evidence go free
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251553/map-vandalism-attacks-continue-at-pro-life-centers-across-us
https://cincinnatirighttolife.org/media/23-pro-life-organizations-vandalized-firebombed-pro-abortion-activists-recent-weeks
Lol, your ridiculous comment about children not being able to pray at abortion centers.
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RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - pally - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 01:34 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251553/map-vandalism-attacks-continue-at-pro-life-centers-across-us
https://cincinnatirighttolife.org/media/23-pro-life-organizations-vandalized-firebombed-pro-abortion-activists-recent-weeks
Lol, your ridiculous comment about children not being able to pray at abortion centers.
1) you still haven't shown that these incidents have gone uninvestigated. Don't forget there are still more attacks on abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood locations than on these so-called pro-life places so it is not a unilateral problem. Unless the crime is caught on camera, it is virtually impossible to charge acts of vandalism
2) I said children don't belong at these protests. And in my opinion, they do not. They are being used by their parents. Look at that photo. Those children are not old enough to have any real idea why they are there in the first place other than mom or dad dragged them there and told them to pray
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 03:06 PM)pally Wrote: 2) I said children don't belong at these protests. And in my opinion, they do not. They are being used by their parents. Look at that photo. Those children are not old enough to have any real idea why they are there in the first place other than mom or dad dragged them there and told them to pray
I completely agree. My question then becomes, did you feel the same way about the BLM protests, Woman's march and other such protests? Because I can tell you first hand there were plenty of children at them.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 04:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I completely agree. My question then becomes, did you feel the same way about the BLM protests, Woman's march and other such protests? Because I can tell you first hand there were plenty of children at them.
Allow me to jump in here and ask why kids shouldn't be at protests?
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - pally - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 04:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I completely agree. My question then becomes, did you feel the same way about the BLM protests, Woman's march and other such protests? Because I can tell you first hand there were plenty of children at them.
It depends on the age of the child and the type of protest
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - SunsetBengal - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 05:14 PM)pally Wrote: It depends on the age of the child and the type of protest
What is the appropriate age to teach kids about killing the unborn?
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - pally - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 05:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What is the appropriate age to teach kids about killing the unborn?
again it depends on the child and their individual maturity as well as their understanding of what the protest is about. For abortion maybe it should start with a child understanding how babies are made in the first place.
Any protest with a high probability of confrontation or violence may not be the best place for a young child
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 04:32 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Allow me to jump in here and ask why kids shouldn't be at protests?
Honestly, for me it depends on the protest. A protest that is almost certainly going to be peaceful, no issues. I'd say the Woman's March would be an example of that. If it's one in which a lot of highly charged emotions are going to be bandied about, I'd say absolutely not. Just to be clear, I'm talking children, legally anyone under 14 years old. Older than that and my opinion gets a little more malleable.
(11-03-2022, 05:14 PM)pally Wrote: It depends on the age of the child and the type of protest
A child is under 14. You had an issue with a anti-abortion rally, why? Would you have the same opinion if it was a BLM protest?
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 05:48 PM)pally Wrote: again it depends on the child and their individual maturity as well as their understanding of what the protest is about. For abortion maybe it should start with a child understanding how babies are made in the first place.
I will say one of the most amusingly traumatic aspects of my Catholic school upbringings was being junior high age and having a very vague understanding of what actual sex was, but having an in-depth understanding (with accompanying slide shows) of the ways abortions are performed and what the absolute most gruesome STDs look like.
Also, don't kids tend to not like things their parents drag them do? If my parents told me to shut off the Nintendo or that I couldn't hang around with my friends because we had to go as a family to hold signs outside of an abortion clinic, I would have probably resented this pro-life agenda just because it's lame-o parent stuff and cutting into my precious time away from STD slide shows at school.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 04:32 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Allow me to jump in here and ask why kids shouldn't be at protests?
The number one consideration for me would be the potential for violence.
If there is none, then no problem.
If I want to join a BLM protest in Indiana, PA, (I did, in fact) kids are no problem.
If I am in Minneapolis or Portland or LA, no way. I don't care if they are 30.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Dill - 11-03-2022
(11-03-2022, 06:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I will say one of the most amusingly traumatic aspects of my Catholic school upbringings was being junior high age and having a very vague understanding of what actual sex was, but having an in-depth understanding (with accompanying slide shows) of the ways abortions are performed and what the absolute most gruesome STDs look like.
RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - BengalYankee - 11-04-2022
(11-03-2022, 05:48 PM)pally Wrote: again it depends on the child and their individual maturity
So smarty pants, you agree with Biden that an 8 year old has the maturity to be a transgender?
And you think a 12 year old should not be praying outside a pro-murder facility?
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RE: Opinion: DeSantis 2024? - Nately120 - 11-04-2022
(11-04-2022, 03:45 PM)BengalYankee Wrote:
So smarty pants, you agree with Biden that an 8 year old has the maturity to be a transgender?
And you think a 12 year old should not be praying outside a pro-murder facility?
You can't stop this stuff because people don't co-parent with the government.