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Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - fredtoast - 02-23-2021

1. The law suites filed by Dominion. There will always be a small portion of brainwashed Trump followers, but when all these issues are hashed out in courts of law instead of in internet chat rooms a lot of people will end up eating crow and having to accept reality.

2. Possible legal/financial problems by Trump. Again, a small portion will believe that any criticism of Trump is just a "witch hunt", but if he is forced to admit defeat and settle some of these issues in court it will diminish his authority. It will also expose how much he profited from money donated to his campaign.

3. Impact of Covid on economy. No matter how much we try to fix this by just churning out more government debt there will be serious consequences over the next two years. We are not really fixing the economic problems. Instead we are just kicking them down the road. And since Dems are in control they will take the blame.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Dill - 02-23-2021

(02-23-2021, 03:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  The law suites filed by Dominion.  There will always be a small portion of brainwashed Trump followers, but when all these issues are hashed out in courts of law instead of in internet chat rooms a lot of people will end up eating crow and having to accept reality.

2.  Possible legal/financial problems by Trump.  Again, a small portion will believe that any criticism of Trump is just a "witch hunt", but if he is forced to admit defeat and settle some of these issues in court it will diminish his authority.  It will also expose how much he profited from money donated to his campaign.

3.  Impact of Covid on economy.  No matter how much we try to fix this by just churning out more government debt there will be serious consequences over the next two years.  We are not really fixing the economic problems.  Instead we are just kicking them down the road.  And since Dems are in control they will take the blame.

I rather disagree with your points 1-2, but I think they are good bases of discussion.

What I would dispute is that the portion of Trump followers who think the election was stolen and that his financial problems are a witch hunt is "small," and will become significantly smaller anytime soon.

77% of Republicans thought the election was fraudulent as of a Dec. 10, 2020 Quinnipiac poll
https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-q-poll-republicans-believe-fraud-20201210-pcie3uqqvrhyvnt7geohhsyepe-story.html

By Quinnipiac's Feb. 4 poll, almost a month after the Capitol riots, that number had only dropped to 76%.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3689

As of Feb. 15, 56% of Republicans thought that Trump did everything he could to STOP the Capitol insurrection, and 75% want him to play a "big role" in the Republican party going forward.  https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3691

Remember the popular cry on social media that Dem/MSM fearmongering of "COVID COVID COVID" would end on election day? There is no evidence that disproof of that and like "predictions" affect Trump support at this point. Don't count on any serious degree of "eating crow" and "having to accept reality." Trump is still the GOP boss.  You, and the rest of us, have to accept that "reality."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/31/viral-image/no-coronavirus-pandemic-wont-end-day-after-electio/

(02-23-2021, 03:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 3.  Impact of Covid on economy.  No matter how much we try to fix this by just churning out more government debt there will be serious consequences over the next two years.  We are not really fixing the economic problems.  Instead we are just kicking them down the road.  And since Dems are in control they will take the blame.

I agree this will help the GOP, but for the same reasons that I doubt 1-2 above.

The RWMM will be going full spin on how Biden is at once mishandling COVID and the economy; it will link any necessary safety/distancing/masking measures to "totalitarian" control, insisting Dems view the pandemic and consequent economic problems as an opportunity to "expand government" and "limit freedoms" like free speech.  There will be outraged "proof" of this every day on Fox and OANN, and hashed over on WND and NEWSMAX.

Trump's handling of the pandemic, his dissing of the military, and voter fraud lies each pared away small fractions of his support--enough to cost him the election.  It is quite possible, or even likely, there will someday be a sudden collapse of Trump support, dropping it as low as 15%. That frequently (but not always) happens with authoritarian populists. But I am not sure that will happen to Trump before 2022.

For the foreseeable future, Trump supporters will continue to avoid the "fake news," while the ongoing "witch hunts" into Trump's finances and culpability in the Capitol riots. viewed through the prism of RWM, will maintain his support rather than pare it away.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - CKwi88 - 02-23-2021

Two years to enact voter laws on the state and local level that disproportionately affect urban and minority voters.

Two years to hamstring/stymie any legislation and then run on the old reliable "government is broken and only we can fix it."

Unexciting democratic nominee.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - masonbengals fan - 02-26-2021

The hard left policies of the Biden administration is what will help the GOP in the 2022 elections.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - GMDino - 02-26-2021

Heard McConnell this morning (on tape from yesterday I assume) saying that the "real" civil war is the far left policies Biden wants.

The policies from the guy with a 54% approval rating and the "far left" policy of a $15 minimum wage that has across the board, bipartisan support from voters. (one poll there, there are others)

What an ass he is.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Nately120 - 02-26-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:30 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The hard left policies of the Biden administration is what will help the GOP in the 2022 elections.

I guess we will see, but 2020 seems to indicate that the GOP needs to revise their playbook a bit.  Throwing every democrat into the same "dangerously liberal" pile will certainly get a percentage of the base moving, but the GOP lost a lot of middle ground and independent voters with all the alarm sounding.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - GMDino - 02-26-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:48 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I guess we will see, but 2020 seems to indicate that the GOP needs to revise their playbook a bit.  Throwing every democrat into the same "dangerously liberal" pile will certainly get a percentage of the base moving, but the GOP lost a lot of middle ground and independent voters with all the alarm sounding.

This is exactly what they will do/are doing.  Like a broken record the gqp is now playing all the hits! 

"The bill is too big"
"The left wants to spend your money"
"This is unpopular"

Blah, blah, blah...


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Nately120 - 02-26-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: This is exactly what they will do/are doing.  Like a broken record the gqp is now playing all the hits! 

"The bill is too big"
"The left wants to spend your money"
"This is unpopular"

Blah, blah, blah...

Right, and that will get a certain percentage out there, but looking at bills with bi-partisan approval polls and saying "This is awful and no one wants it and it's more liberal than an art school full of gender-fluid commies" isn't a logical path to success.  The fringe nuts already believe that all democrats are so liberal the world will end in 6 months, so why not actually deal in some reality to draw in some of the middle votes they lost in 2020?

They continue to hammer home the illogical rhetoric that the small group that is already 150% behind wants to hear and alienate people who actually think numbers and polls and political actions mean more than empty hype.


This would be like taking a PR job for the Bengals and being like "You should be a Bengals fan because no one likes the Steelers, they aren't popular, and they never won a damn thing but we have."  I mean, sure you'll make die hard Bengals fans happy, but you aren't bringing in anyone who isn't already drinking the orange flavorade.

Also, the NFL is rigged.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - GMDino - 02-26-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:55 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Right, and that will get a certain percentage out there, but looking at bills with bi-partisan approval polls and saying "This is awful and no one wants it and it's more liberal than an art school full of gender-fluid commies" isn't a logical path to success.  The fringe nuts already believe that all democrats are so liberal the world will end in 6 months, so why not actually deal in some reality to draw in some of the middle votes they lost in 2020?

They continue to hammer home the illogical rhetoric that the small group that is already 150% behind wants to hear and alienate people who actually think numbers and polls and political actions mean more than empty hype.

They're just waiting for Trump to ride back in on his white golf cart stallion and save the day!

Just like he did for the House in 2018 and the Senate (and himself) in 2020.

Smirk


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Nately120 - 02-26-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: They're just waiting for Trump to ride back in on his white golf cart stallion and save the day!

Just like he did for the House in 2018 and the Senate (and himself) in 2020.

Smirk

Maybe GA was just a fluke, but it did show that simply saying "I'm practically Donald Trump with a vagina and my opponent is pretty much a black version of Joseph Stalin" doesn't win over enough of the middle-ground voters to win.  That may not have been an actual quote.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - fredtoast - 02-26-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:30 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The hard left policies of the Biden administration is what will help the GOP in the 2022 elections.


You mean the policies he just ran on and won?  The policies that helped the Dems take control of the Senate?

That makes no sense at all.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - GMDino - 03-09-2021

Here's something they think will help them:  Making it harder for people to vote.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/03/georgia-republicans-pass-the-most-restrictive-voting-laws-since-jim-crow/



Quote:On Monday afternoon, the legislators approved a bill repealing no-excuse absentee voting, which 1.3 million voters used to cast ballots by mail in 2020, including 450,000 Republicans. They were also set to consider a bill on Monday evening ending automatic voter registration, which 5 million of the state’s 7.6 million voters used to register since it was implemented in 2016.


The Senate bills follow the passage of a sweeping House bill last week that cuts weekend voting days—including on Sundays, when Black churches hold “Souls to the Polls” get-out-the-vote drives—restricts the use of mail ballot drop boxes, prevents counties from accepting grants from nonprofits to improve their elections, adds new voter ID requirements for mail ballots, gives election official less time to send out mail ballots and voters less time to return them, and even makes it a crime to distribute food and water to voters waiting in line.



Collectively, these bills represent the most sustained effort to roll back access to the ballot in Georgia since the Jim Crow era. The same is true nationally, where Republicans have introduced 253 bills in 43 states in the first two months of this year to make it harder to vote.


https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/974948010/georgia-elections-official-gabriel-sterling-responds-to-bills-that-make-voting-h


Quote:Georgia elections official Gabriel Sterling gained national attention a few months ago by pushing back against President Donald Trump's false claims of voter fraud.


But Republican state lawmakers in Georgia, inspired by those falsehoods, have introduced a handful of bills that would increase barriers to voting for some people.
Georgia is among 43 states that are considering similar legislation, according to the Brennan Center.


Sterling, a Republican who is now the chief operating officer for the Georgia secretary of state's office, says some of the measures backed by Republican Georgia state lawmakers go too far.


But he argues that many of the proposals could end up helping elections administrators.
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Georgia Senate Republicans Pass Bill To End No-Excuse Absentee Voting



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Why Republicans Are Moving To Fix Elections That Weren't Broken



There was no widespread fraud in Georgia, he says, but there were small numbers of double voting, out-of-state voting and voting by felons. Rules involving photo IDs could make things easier for elections workers, he says.


"In a state like Georgia, where the election is getting closer and closer, every vote's going to count," Sterling says. "And anything we can do to make the system more secure and provide confidence to everybody, that's the kind of things that we need to be focusing on."


Sterling talked with NPR's Scott Detrow on Morning Edition about the proposals under consideration and why he opposes the Democrat-backed voting rights bill that passed the U.S. House last week.

Though, to be fair, there was once a conversation on these board where some felt it should be harder to vote so people would only vote if they REALLY wanted to...which I believe is hogwash.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Nately120 - 03-09-2021

God bless freedom....also, let's make it against the law to hand people water or to let people sit if they are waiting in line to vote.

Cancelling freedom.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Benton - 03-09-2021

(03-09-2021, 03:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: God bless freedom....also, let's make it against the law to hand people water or to let people sit if they are waiting in line to vote.  

Cancelling freedom.

Well... that is potentially vote buying.

Mellow


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Au165 - 03-10-2021

(03-09-2021, 03:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: God bless freedom....also, let's make it against the law to hand people water or to let people sit if they are waiting in line to vote.  

Cancelling freedom.

If you put religious text on the drinks and food while handing it out you can make Republican's heads explode.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Dill - 03-10-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:55 AM)Nately120 Wrote: This would be like taking a PR job for the Bengals and being like "You should be a Bengals fan because no one likes the Steelers, they aren't popular, and they never won a damn thing but we have."  I mean, sure you'll make die hard Bengals fans happy, but you aren't bringing in anyone who isn't already drinking the orange flavorade.

Also, the NFL is rigged.

Rigged in favor of Republicans!   Attitude

But then what isn't.


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Dill - 03-10-2021

(02-26-2021, 10:30 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The hard left policies of the Biden administration is what will help the GOP in the 2022 elections.

The far right has been warning us for years that vaccination is a Communist plot.

And now it is being forced on the entire country.

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RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - Forever Spinning Vinyl - 03-10-2021

(03-09-2021, 10:32 PM)Benton Wrote: Well... that is potentially vote buying.

Mellow

I just can't buy into their thought process on this.

"I'm standing in this long line to make sure my voice is heard!"

"Here's a bottle of water."

"Y'know, I hadn't made up my mind yet, but now that I think about it . . ."


RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - GMDino - 03-10-2021

Apparently lying will help them too.

He voted against the bill.   Mellow

https://www.wlbt.com/2021/03/10/wicker-praises-covid-relief-despite-voting-against-it/

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RE: Things that will help the GOP before 2022 elections. - hollodero - 03-10-2021

(03-09-2021, 03:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: God bless freedom....also, let's make it against the law to hand people water or to let people sit if they are waiting in line to vote.  

Cancelling freedom.

Amongst the amazing things coming out of the USA, this has to be amongst the most amazing ones.

That's not even disguied any more. Hey, we want fewer people voting, so we want to make it as uncomfortable as possible, especially in those areas where we already tried to make voting hard by opening very few polling places and allowing long lines to begin with. These people tend to vote the wrong way, hence let them starve. Don't sit down! Stand there and suffer, or better, just take your potentially liberal views and go home.

Maybe add playing the same annoying song for hours while at it. Put sunlamps across the path, heat this thing up to 125 degrees fahrenheit; these poeple standing in line must literally feel the heat. There's so much potential still unleashed...

Beacon of democracy.