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Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - GMDino - 04-10-2021 Pray tell me what someone can do to avoid this? I'm just tired of being told how "rare" it is when there are stories every day. It's just so dam sad and frustrating and it doesn't seem like the officers ever get punished for it. How do you "do what the officer says" when two are yelling different things? Who do you come out with guns pulled and aimed after you see the plate IS visible and YOU made the mistake? https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/lawsuit-virginia-police-officers-threatened-man-stop-76982103 Quote:WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- A second lieutenant in the U.S. Army is suing two Virginia police officers over a traffic stop last December during which the officers drew their guns, pointed them at him and used a slang term to suggest he was facing execution before pepper-spraying him and knocking him to the ground. Doesn't matter to me who you are, as human being we should be disgusted that anyone was treated this way when they are complying. But hey the officer "decided" to not press charges...after he realized how wrong he was. https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dm3m/cops-caught-on-video-holding-a-black-army-lieutenant-at-gunpoint-then-pepper-spraying-him Quote:When Lt. Caron Nazario said he was afraid to get out of the vehicle, one officer responded, “Yeah, you should be." Hand where we can see them! Get out of the car! Don't reach! Well since you can't do everything we'll pepper spray you and beat you. Wonderful way to handle a traffic stop" Good training. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-10-2021 (04-10-2021, 03:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: Pray tell me what someone can do to avoid this? I'm just tired of being told how "rare" it is when there are stories every day. It's just so dam sad and frustrating and it doesn't seem like the officers ever get punished for it. How do you "do what the officer says" when two are yelling different things? Who do you come out with guns pulled and aimed after you see the plate IS visible and YOU made the mistake? Wow, you actually watched that whole video and thought this clown was complying? This reeks of you not being able to see a gun in a person's hand pointed at police. The had to reiterate their order to put his hands out the window how many times? Then they lawfully ordered him out of the car and he refused, spouting off that he's a veteran, like that means anything in this situation. This idiot wants to argue and debate with the officers, what he did was the exact polar opposite of "complying". Also, "ride the lightning" while unprofessional, is slang for getting tazed, not being executed like this guy's shyster lawyer claims. He states he does not have to get out of the vehicle, he absolutely does, by law. This guy did literally everything wrong when stopped by law enforcement. Seriously, how anyone can watch that full video and see a person "complying" is mind boggling. More garbage from "I don't hate law enforcement" Dino. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-10-2021 BTW, read the twitter feed (yes Twitter is pure cancer, I know), on this story. https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1380564103396212739 It's frightening how many ignorant people there are in this country. GM is hardly alone on this one. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-10-2021 I'm off to take my father out for his birthday, but I wanted to leave off with this. This is not for OP, who actively dislikes law enforcement and has zero intention of being fair or objective when it comes to this subject, but for anyone else reading this thread. The officers, or rather one of them, did two things wrong. The "you should be" and the "ride the lightning" comments were uncalled for and will likely end up with a reprimand. However, they came after consistent and constant non-compliance from the subject to lawfully given orders. The initial officer was actually doing a pretty good job of trying to defuse it, but the officer who made the above comments didn't help in that regard. Still, these two comments do not justify, mitigate, or excuse the (in)actions of the subject both prior to, and after, they were uttered. I'll close with this. If that was me in that video, refusing commands, spouting off that I'm a sworn peace officer and resisting I'd be looking at a lengthy suspension in the 20-30 day range. Possibly termination, and I've got 20 years of distinguished service under my belt. In a just world this guy would catch hell from his superiors for his conduct in this video, but under Biden, and given the current atmosphere, I doubt anything happens to him. He doesn't deserve a damned penny though, much less on million dollars. I certainly hope he obeys orders better in the Army then he does here. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - GMDino - 04-10-2021 My apologies for triggering anyone. I'd love to be able to post about these things without be constantly lied about. I do not hate the police. I hate when one of them treats a citizen like they did above. But I suppose attacking me and victim shaming the guy who got pepper sprayed, beat, and then had NO CHARGES filed is where we are. If anyone wants to simply delete this thread feel free. I'm tired of not being to able TALK about incidents like this without ME being the center of the response. SSF get the win. I quit. I'm out. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - NATI BENGALS - 04-10-2021 What do you expect? Someone in the Army to be able to follow simple instructions? If you get pulled over then don’t pull over right away then don’t follow orders once you do stop. Chances are it’s going to be a bad experience all around. I learned this at a young age. Concept is not hard to follow. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-10-2021 (04-10-2021, 07:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: My apologies for triggering anyone. I’m sorry that you feel discouraged. It’s not that you post about police misconduct, it’s that your take on the subject is exceedingly poor. If you can watch that video and place blame anywhere but on the can’t follow instructions butter bar then you’re really not in a position to discuss this topic rationally. This guy isn’t the victim of anything but his own stupidity. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Benton - 04-11-2021 This was probably pretty traumatic for the officers. On the one hand, the dude looked to be black. According to fox, blm is trying to kill them. On the other hand, the guy was in camo. According to recent events, he was probably some wacked out militant trying to kill them. It's a rough time to be a leo. Black guys aren't always the enemy and guys in military gear aren't always your friends. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Benton - 04-11-2021 (04-10-2021, 08:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I’m sorry that you feel discouraged. It’s not that you post about police misconduct, it’s that your take on the subject is exceedingly poor. If you can watch that video and place blame anywhere but on the can’t follow instructions butter bar then you’re really not in a position to discuss this topic rationally. This guy isn’t the victim of anything but his own stupidity. From what I've seen, I'd run. I'm sitting at a gas pump and two guys approach me for no reason with guns drawn (even if they're cops)? I'm running. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 01:45 AM)Benton Wrote: This was probably pretty traumatic for the officers. Smarmy isn't a good look in general. I would be happy to hear an intelligent rebuttal to any points I made, and I'll get right on that once that happens. (04-11-2021, 01:48 AM)Benton Wrote: From what I've seen, I'd run. Except that's not what happened, at all. I suppose actually being aware of the situation being discussed was too much to hope for. I'm honestly disappointed, this is not the type of post I'd expect from you. I suppose we now see how deep the termites have spread. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - NATI BENGALS - 04-11-2021 It’s a profession you really can’t let your guard down or you wind up dead. If I put myself in their shoes, I initiate a stop and the person doesn’t stop right away so the situation has quickly escalated and now my adrenaline is going. This is an uncontrollable bodily response. Now I’m on edge and amped up. Now they decide to stop where they wanted to. Why? Windows tinted black, is there someone in the vehicle with a weapon pointed at me? Person won’t obey simple commands. Are they wasted out of their mind? Plotting on me? Getting ready to flee? Is this guy pulling one of those Nashville Christmas bombings and I interrupted? I have no idea. I can’t say I blame any non white person for fearing a LEO. But damn it man. Follow the simple instructions and de-escalate the situation. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - SunsetBengal - 04-11-2021 (04-10-2021, 03:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: Hand where we can see them! Get out of the car! Don't reach! Well since you can't do everything we'll pepper spray you and beat you. Wonderful way to handle a traffic stop" Good training. I didn't see any beating going on in that video. By refusing to stop when the police first attempted to pull him over, he committed a crime by eluding law enforcement. You don't get to choose where you pull over to face whatever traffic stop the police were attempting to make. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 09:55 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I didn't see any beating going on in that video. Based on what these LEO's stated, this isn't uncommon in that area, for someone to drive to a more well light area before finally stopping. They may still have their guard up for multiple reasons, but what really escalated the situation was the soldier who can't follow instructions. Again, it's just indicative of how programmed some people are to see law enforcement in a negative light that they could watch that video and blame the police for the situation. As to the "beating" of course GM is going to believe that with zero evidence. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Stewy - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 09:55 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I didn't see any beating going on in that video. You better if it's dark and you're a woman. or a minority Women are trained to do just that.....find a well lit area to pull over. Minorites are guilty until proven innocent when pulled over by the police. If you don't see it, you're blind. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - masonbengals fan - 04-11-2021 Can't imagine being a officer in today's world. Especially in some parts of the country. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - fredtoast - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 02:20 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Except that's not what happened, at all. That is exactly what the video showed. Instead of just walking up to the vehicle to request the registration the officer pulled his weapon for a "felony traffic stop" and ordered the guy out of the car. If the guy really did put on his turn signal and drive at or below the speed limit for less than a mile to the gas station then the cop was nuts to act like that. The guy was holding his hands out the window as he was being ordered to do. If I was him I would have bee scared to death to take my hands back inside the vehicle in order to open the door. That is when he could have been shot for "reaching for a weapon". People are much more willing to cooperate with police when they don't act crazy. None of this had to happen if the police just handled this the proper way. Just walk up to the driver and request his registration. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Au165 - 04-11-2021 Last year you were 5x more likely to die from getting struck on the side of the road during a traffic stop than actually being killed by the person you are stopping. Pulling people over on the side of the road is a practice law enforcement agencies would be better off trying to end in favor of driving until people can actually pull off the roadway completely into a well lit drive of some sort. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Benton - 04-11-2021 (04-11-2021, 02:20 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Smarmy isn't a good look in general. I would be happy to hear an intelligent rebuttal to any points I made, and I'll get right on that once that happens. Ok, you want a real response instead of the sarcasm this kind of absurdity needs? The kind of sarcasm demanded by this? The cops should've been fired. They initiatedd a stop because they couldn't see his license plate. He slowed down, put on his signal indicating he was pulling over and in about a minute and a half, had his vehicle pulled into a well lit parking lot. How did the cops respond? With guns out and threats of violence. When he indicated he was trying to comply with conflicting commands given by the two officers, more threats of violence by them. If they did it based on training, their training is flawed and they shouldn't be handling interactions with the general public, and should be fired. If they did it because they have emotional issues that prevent them from handling interactions with the public, they should be fired. People should have respect for interactions with officers, but that's a two way street. If every time a cop pulled me over he came at me with a loaded firearm drawn, I'd stop pulling over. And no, that's not sarcasm. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - BigPapaKain - 04-11-2021 Bad looks all around. RE: Lawsuit: Virginia police officers threatened man during stop - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-12-2021 (04-11-2021, 11:02 PM)Benton Wrote: Ok, you want a real response instead of the sarcasm this kind of absurdity needs? The kind of sarcasm demanded by this? Interesting, I'm sure you'll substantiate this point. Quote:They initiatedd a stop because they couldn't see his license plate. He slowed down, put on his signal indicating he was pulling over and in about a minute and a half, had his vehicle pulled into a well lit parking lot. How did the cops respond? A minute and a half is a long time to drive after being lit up. Try running in place for a minute and a half and then tell me if it's a long time or not. Quote:With guns out and threats of violence. When he indicated he was trying to comply with conflicting commands given by the two officers, more threats of violence by them. This is a bullshit characterization of what actually occurred. The initial officer ordered him to put his hands out of the window how many times before he finally complied? It was at least around ten times. Would it take you more than two to finally do what you're being instructed to do? The "threats" of violence, which consisted of one statement (ride the lightning), only occurred after this dude actively refused to do what he was instructed to do. He even tried to play the "I'm a veteran" card, like that excuses him from actually following a lawful order. Quote:If they did it based on training, their training is flawed and they shouldn't be handling interactions with the general public, and should be fired. If they did it because they have emotional issues that prevent them from handling interactions with the public, they should be fired. Yeah, you honestly sound like the people on Twitter. Let me clue you in, because you're completely wrong on this one. If you are stopped by the police follow their instructions. He refused to exit the vehicle after being ordered to do so, stating he did not have to. This is 100% wrong. By law you must exit your vehicle if ordered to do so. You want to get twisted out of shape because of one statement by one of those officers, where is your condemnation for repeatedly refusing to follow a lawful order? Quote:People should have respect for interactions with officers, but that's a two way street. If every time a cop pulled me over he came at me with a loaded firearm drawn, I'd stop pulling over. And no, that's not sarcasm. How about this, next time you get pulled over refuse to do so for a minute and a half. The when you finally do stop refuse to follow the officer's instructions. I can guarantee you your experience will mirror this one. Honestly, the fact that a normally rational person like yourself can have such a head in the ground position on this only shows how shitty things are for LEO's right now. Enjoy the skyrocketing crime rates while people condemn law enforcement for doing their job. |