(08-11-2021, 10:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 02:48 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I hear ya, but for the first time in what seems to be ages, it appears the defense is going to be pretty solid and they may be able to play (as Lapham sometimes refers to it) complementary football.  This is where the defense gives the offense an extra possession or two by forcing a turnover or a 3 and out.  

That combination is what gives me so much optimism for the offense.   I think the lineup of Chase, Boyd, and Higgins as the WRs, Uzo as the TE, and Mixon as the single back will be a pretty high-powered machine.  

(08-11-2021, 11:42 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: does it though? I dont think you can say that with confidence

(08-12-2021, 12:52 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: While I disagee with the statement Sewell would have fixed everything, I also disagree with the depth being the same. What if they go with Sewell, Carman, Ossai, and then get a WR in 4? Sure we have a different depth at some position, maybe they don't take Smith then in 4, we really don't know what would have happened next. 

And of course... none of it really matters, since we didn't draft Sewell. Just have to hope the line improves enough to give Burrow time. 

(08-12-2021, 10:17 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The WR pool would have been decent to good but pretty thin on playmakers if they pass on it in rds 1 and two. 

This is the Bengals. With what they had and how confident they were in them, there's no way they go Oline 2 straight rounds after picking up Reiff and targeting guys (which they always do) later in the draft. 

(08-12-2021, 10:17 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The WR pool would have been decent to good but pretty thin on playmakers if they pass on it in rds 1 and two. 

This is the Bengals. With what they had and how confident they were in them, there's no way they go Oline 2 straight rounds after picking up Reiff and targeting guys (which they always do) later in the draft. 

(08-12-2021, 10:17 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The WR pool would have been decent to good but pretty thin on playmakers if they pass on it in rds 1 and two. 

This is the Bengals. With what they had and how confident they were in them, there's no way they go Oline 2 straight rounds after picking up Reiff and targeting guys (which they always do) later in the draft. 

(08-13-2021, 10:58 AM)JWW1971 Wrote: I haven't read all the posts but regarding the bad press, Has there ever been a time recently when we didn't get bad press for our 1st round pick?

(08-13-2021, 09:01 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I know it is beating a dead horse, but I am surprised at the number of folks that still think that after losing Ross (not much there) and AJ Green, the Bengals needed a WR that would come in and get (at least) the 104 targets that Green had last year.  

Leaving that up to a fourth rounder, or even a second rounder, would not have been the best formula for success.  

Those 104 targets were with Higgins and Boyd playing as well.  They needed another top receiver.  

(08-13-2021, 10:58 AM)JWW1971 Wrote: I haven't read all the posts but regarding the bad press, Has there ever been a time recently when we didn't get bad press for our 1st round pick?

(08-13-2021, 12:17 PM)Stewy Wrote: Well it was a camp report from like the middle of camp......since then Chase has been doing much better and I think one day got the Star of the camp or whatever they call the best of the day.  

Summary:  He's knocking off the rust, and based upon some comments by him, he was surprised by the rust as well, recognizes it and is working it out.

(08-12-2021, 01:05 PM)Joelist Wrote: A big reason linemen tend to need work coming out of college is the tendency of colleges not to run pro style offenses. This even goes down to line technique where they are not being taught pro level technique in college - I wish they were.

(08-13-2021, 03:25 PM)Wyche Wrote: It's a HUGE problem for the league. I've mentioned this several times on here. That's why I was more in favor of attacking the oline with proven vets. If we had time to develop, and had good players in front it'd be one thing, but we don't and we didn't.

But I still wanted Sewell. So basically, I was go all in on oline kinda guy...lol. But Chase should be a good un.

(08-13-2021, 01:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I think my dream scenario for the first three rounds was Sewell, Eichenburg, and D Brown. (Would have shoved Jonah and Reiff into G.)

(08-13-2021, 12:59 AM)Whatever Wrote: I don't think they would have ever signed Reiff if Sewell was their target.  If they weren't going to pay Zeitler $7 mil a year to play G, why would they pay Reiff that and try to move him to G?  Likely, they would have held onto Hart until at least the draft as insurance if they were going Sewell.  

The Bengals were never going to wait until Day 3 to get an X WR.  The class was thin at X and they needed an immediate starter.  My guess is they would have gone Marshall in 2.  With a lot of teams having late 1st round grades on him at least until the injury stuff broke, it would not be hard to see the team not feeling comfortable trading down.  They likely still would have gone Ossai in 3 due to value intersecting with need and passed on Sample in 4 and maybe addressing DT with Shelvin or another player.  

The argument about depth is a little silly, IMO.  We don't really know what else the Bengals would or wouldn't have done if they took Sewell, so it's impossible to argue that the depth would be better or worse.

(08-13-2021, 01:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It is what it is now... but my favored non-1st Round WR target was available in the 3rd when the Bengals picked. Dyami Brown. 1,000+ yards and 20.0+ AVG in both 2020 and 2019. He really seemed like he'd fill in the need the Bengals had. (Also a chance Terrace Marshall Jr would have been there if Chase being available pushed all the WRs down a spot. No way to know, but he was the last WR drafted before the Bengals 3rd round pick.)

I think my dream scenario for the first three rounds was Sewell, Eichenburg, and D Brown. (Would have shoved Jonah and Reiff into G.)

Hopefully Chase, Carman, and Ossai are great for the Bengals. I am just tired of losing all the time and anyone who can make that stop, regardless of the position, is welcome.

(08-13-2021, 09:01 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I know it is beating a dead horse, but I am surprised at the number of folks that still think that after losing Ross (not much there) and AJ Green, the Bengals needed a WR that would come in and get (at least) the 104 targets that Green had last year.  

Leaving that up to a fourth rounder, or even a second rounder, would not have been the best formula for success.  

Those 104 targets were with Higgins and Boyd playing as well.  They needed another top receiver.  

(08-13-2021, 03:50 PM)tms Wrote: If Chase performs anywhere close to the level I expect from him, it's hard to imagine regret. Do we regret taking AJ instead of Jones? Even Justin Smith instead of LT? In hindsight those might not have been the right picks, but regret is not the word I would use for them.

I think the Carman pick needs to be judged on its own merits. I'm the first one to say that the Chase pick went beyond Chase and carried a high opportunity cost. But there were still options to get the best of both worlds at 38... even 46. Time will tell whether we managed to do so. I mean, I'll be following Sewell/Slater like a lot fo people. But I figure Chase is safe unless he himself shits the bed (which is darn near inconceivable).

(08-13-2021, 06:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, I approve of getting proven vets on the OL more than anything cause of this. I like that we got Reiff and I like the young 
guys in Carman, D'Ante Smith and Trey Hill but it will take time with them as it does any rookie. Same with Sewell on the Lions.