(11-05-2021, 05:17 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I thought I read somewhere it was an all white jury.

Well, I suppose that would count as his peers. So it's something.

Who wants to bet me it'll be a hung jury at best?

(11-05-2021, 08:44 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I saw a movie once about a hung jury. 12 something Men, can't remember... the actress worked really hard though. 

(11-05-2021, 09:52 PM)Benton Wrote: Angry.

(11-05-2021, 02:23 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I see the last major thread involving the case of Ahmaud Arbery's killing was prior to 2.0, so here's a new thread.

The trial begins after 11 White and 1 Black jurors were selected. The defense objected to 11 of 12 Black jurors, something that the judge said appears to be intentional racial discrimination, though he cited a GA law that prevents him from reinstating any of them as the official reason given by the defense did not involved race.

This is of course an issue given the fact that the area is roughly 27% Black, the history of excluding Black jurors in racially motivated cases, and the research showing the results of excluding Black jurors.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/05/1052435205/ahmaud-arbery-jury

(11-05-2021, 02:23 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I see the last major thread involving the case of Ahmaud Arbery's killing was prior to 2.0, so here's a new thread.

The trial begins after 11 White and 1 Black jurors were selected. The defense objected to 11 of 12 Black jurors, something that the judge said appears to be intentional racial discrimination, though he cited a GA law that prevents him from reinstating any of them as the official reason given by the defense did not involved race.

This is of course an issue given the fact that the area is roughly 27% Black, the history of excluding Black jurors in racially motivated cases, and the research showing the results of excluding Black jurors.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/05/1052435205/ahmaud-arbery-jury

(11-09-2021, 10:43 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Ill admit I haven't followed this, but have we gone from "I thought he was going for a gun!" to "I had a gun and he could have gone for it!" as a defense?

I guess as long as you have a gun the person you have a gunpoint is a threat to get your gun and therefore be armed and dangerous and perceived as a threat warranting lethal force?

I have a gun, which you could technically take from me and use on me, therefore you technically have a gun. 

(11-09-2021, 11:33 AM)Au165 Wrote: I actually think of this episode a lot when it comes to shootings in general.

(11-07-2021, 04:06 PM)Dill Wrote: If no one said "race" then I don't see how the judge can imply the jury selection was "racist."
In any case, it looks like he can't act on his personal opinion/bias and has to follow the law. 

Could be a clear cut case of "self defense" under Georgia law, if Arbery reached for McMichael's weapon. McMichael and his father clearly feared what might happen if Arbery got control of the shotgun they were chasing him with. So the primary question will be--would a reasonable person fear for life and limb if a person he was chasing with a gun attempted to take that gun away? My view would be the same whether it was a white OR a black man who shot a black man.

Predictably, "leftists" will politicize this case, making the attacker the victim because he is black and the three armed men hunting him down were white. But there is actual video of Arbery resisting the McMichaels' citizens arreset by trying to wrest the shotgun away from Travis McMichaels.

My personal take--if the police won't respond to a rash of unreported burglaries, then no one should be surprised if citizens take neighborhood security into their own hands. Since this was an attempted citizens arrest, the three accused should also have some degree of qualified immunity. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-defense-opening-statement.html

In an opening statement on Friday, the lawyer for Travis McMichael, the man who shot and killed Ahmaud Arbery, painted his client as a man who felt a “duty” to protect his neighborhood, and who had reason to believe that Mr. Arbery had committed a burglary — giving him the right, under Georgia law, to carry out a citizen’s arrest.

The lawyer, Robert G. Rubin, said that Mr. McMichael was trying to “de-escalate” a potentially violent situation when he pointed his shotgun at Mr. Arbery as he was sprinting toward him. And Mr. Rubin said that Mr. McMichael acted in self-defense when he pulled the trigger after Mr. Arbery turned toward him and the two men tussled.

At that point, Mr. McMichael “has no choice, because if this guy gets his gun, he’s dead or his dad’s dead,” Mr. Rubin said, referring to Mr. McMichael’s father and fellow defendant Gregory McMichael. As a veteran of the U.S. Coast Guard, Travis McMichael was taught “never lose your weapon. And that’s why he shoots,” he said.

(11-09-2021, 11:40 AM)Nately120 Wrote: This goes to the next level, doesn't it?  It's like....I have a weapon, therefore you have the ability to become armed and dangerous and therefore I have the right to treat you as if you are armed.

I'm always looking into how people are going to take this shit to 11, it's what I do.

(11-09-2021, 11:53 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: That does seem what the defense is trying to do, here. "I was after this guy, then he tried to defend himself by taking my gun, so I had to shoot him!" That shit doesn't fly.

(11-09-2021, 12:25 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Just like George the white Hispanic, I don't know if what they did is technically legal, but it sure smells bad.

(11-09-2021, 11:53 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: That does seem what the defense is trying to do, here. "I was after this guy, then he tried to defend himself by taking my gun, so I had to shoot him!" That shit doesn't fly.

(11-09-2021, 11:50 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I haven't responded in here, but I really hope you aren't comparing this to the Rittenhouse situation. That would be pretty disingenuous. These situations are different in several ways.

(11-09-2021, 01:54 PM)GMDino Wrote:

(11-09-2021, 03:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Also a different situation. I didn't agree with the outcome in that case, but I can say that there was more reasonable doubt for him than in this case.

Quote:George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.