(05-03-2022, 06:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: What percentage of Americans actually want this overturned? If the court is acting against the interests and wishes of the majority it might not be too crazy to assume other stuff people generally accept could be next.

(05-03-2022, 07:00 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I am certianly not a legal scholar, and while I don't think same-sex marriage is necessarily at great risk, you can't really fault people for their fear when the draft reads that rights not mentioned in the constitution  "must be 'deeply rooted in this Nation's history and Traditional and 'implicit in the conceptual of ordered liberty.'" The draft also mentions how "...until the latter part of the 20th century, [the right to an abortion] was entirely unknown in American law." 

I dont think it is unreasonable to believe that an opening is presented here to challenge same-sex marriage. 

(05-03-2022, 07:48 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I find it hilarious that a lot of people are only Democrats and only voted for Biden because they're pro-abortion and then it still was overturned at the national level.

(05-03-2022, 07:59 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So the government is making something illegal with the support of 20% of people ? Isn't this when people usually start with the 2A talk? This seems like that sort of situation.

(05-03-2022, 07:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's not really a thing. Abortion being a deciding issue for people is not something that really pushes people to vote Democrat. It's much more common for GOP voters to be single-issue in that way. For instance, in the area where my family is from their politics truthfully run pretty progressive and they were always big union folks. However, since the abortion culture war they have been voting GOP.

(05-03-2022, 08:04 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Every woman that I know that's a Democrat only votes so "because she doesn't want the government having control over her body."

(05-03-2022, 08:13 PM)Nately120 Wrote: They're probably just saying that to trigger you.

(05-03-2022, 08:20 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why would they be trying to trigger me?

It's something important to them.

(05-03-2022, 08:24 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How many women are we talking here?  I've met a lot of people D and R alike and I've never talked to a single person who has abortion as the only issue they care about.  I'm just intrigued that someone who seems as ultra-conservative as you would know so many(?) women who are so singularly focused on being pro-choice. 

So how many democrat women do you know since you are saying 100% of them have abortion as their sole reason for voting D?

(05-03-2022, 08:27 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: A bunch from college and then on Facebook and even places like Instagram and Snapchat.

What other issues have they said they care about?

(05-03-2022, 07:48 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I find it hilarious that a lot of people are only Democrats and only voted for Biden because they're pro-abortion and then it still was overturned at the national level.

(05-03-2022, 08:30 PM)Au165 Wrote: If settled law is no longer settled law buckle up because things are about to get even bumpier.

(05-03-2022, 08:24 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How many women are we talking here?  I've met a lot of people D and R alike and I've never talked to a single person who has abortion as the only issue they care about.  I'm just intrigued that someone who seems as ultra-conservative as you would know so many(?) women who are so singularly focused on being pro-choice. 

So how many democrat women do you know since you are saying 100% of them have abortion as their sole reason for voting D?

(05-03-2022, 08:04 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Every woman that I know that's a Democrat only votes so "because she doesn't want the government having control over her body."

I don't know of anyone that votes Republican based off of the abortion issue.

Quote:The latest findings, from Gallup's annual Values and Beliefs poll conducted May 1-13, show the continuation of a trend seen since 2001 whereby Americans who consider themselves to be pro-life are more likely than those who identify as pro-choice to say abortion is a threshold issue.

While these groups have placed varying degrees of importance on the abortion issue in the past, the gap in their views has widened. Currently, 30% of those in the pro-life camp and 19% in the pro-choice camp say they are single-issue voters when it comes to abortion.

(05-03-2022, 08:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, let's rid ourselves of anecdotal evidence and turn to something with a little bit of scientific rigor: https://news.gallup.com/poll/313316/one-four-americans-consider-abortion-key-voting-issue.aspx




So while I may be underestimating the degree to which this occurs towards Democrats, it is the Republican/anti-choice voters that are more likely to see it as a "must."

For the record, single-issue voters on either side just piss me off. But that's me.

(05-03-2022, 08:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You should probably address this with Matt as well.  He said the same thing about pro-life people.

(05-03-2022, 09:02 PM)Nately120 Wrote: He does?  Usually a dismissive take on republicans involves a few key obsessions like guns and welfare queens, too.