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AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - GMDino - 08-07-2022 But if they announce there are guns in the school won't that encourage bad guys to want to break in and get them? All seriousness aside I'm not sure this helps as much as they think it does. https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/madison/2022/08/05/madison-county-schools-add-ar-15-rifles-enhance-security/10234037002/ Quote:MARSHALL - In response to the Texas school shooting that left 19 children dead May 24, the local school system and Sheriff's Office are rolling out some beefed up security measures in 2022-23, including putting AR-15 rifles in every school. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - CKwi88 - 08-07-2022 That's a #America moment if I've ever seen one. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-07-2022 So, they are putting the rifle and the ammunition in the safes? That goes against everything I teach about safe firearm storage as an NRA Instructor. Are these safes going to be installed in such a manner that they cannot be easily removed from the building? A safe does zero good if people know it is there and it isn't secured properly. This is just a terrible idea. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Leon - 08-07-2022 (08-07-2022, 08:14 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, they are putting the rifle and the ammunition in the safes? That goes against everything I teach about safe firearm storage as an NRA Instructor. ive owned guns for over 40 years an got over 30 on my propety right now and i can tell you i dont know any gun owner worth there salt that would store there ammo in with there weapons. thats just not something anyone would do that knows any thing about firearms an safety RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Nately120 - 08-07-2022 (08-07-2022, 08:23 PM)Leon Wrote: ive owned guns for over 40 years an got over 30 on my propety right now and i can tell you i dont know any gun owner worth there salt that would store there ammo in with there weapons. thats just not something anyone would do that knows any thing about firearms an safety (08-07-2022, 08:14 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, they are putting the rifle and the ammunition in the safes? That goes against everything I teach about safe firearm storage as an NRA Instructor. Interesting...I'm not a gun guy so I've never head of this. It is common/logical practice to store firearms and the relevant ammo separately? Why? RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-08-2022 (08-07-2022, 08:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Interesting...I'm not a gun guy so I've never head of this. It is common/logical practice to store firearms and the relevant ammo separately? Why? The whole reason to lock up your firearms is to prevent someone who shouldn't be accessing them from accessing them and using them in a manner they shouldn't be used. If you store your ammunition with your firearms then access to one storage location means they not only have the firearms, but the ammunition as well. In the case of someone with nefarious intent, they now have all they need to do damage. In the case of a child being curious, they now have the ability to inadvertently harm themselves or someone else. The preferred system is to have the ammunition and firearms stored in separate rooms under separate locks. For instance, my firearms are in a safe tucked in a closet in my house that has its own key. My ammunition is in a dry box in another room with two padlocks on it. No one other than my wife and I knows where these two locations are in the house. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-08-2022 (08-07-2022, 08:23 PM)Leon Wrote: ive owned guns for over 40 years an got over 30 on my propety right now and i can tell you i dont know any gun owner worth there salt that would store there ammo in with there weapons. thats just not something anyone would do that knows any thing about firearms an safety That's what seems to be the proposal based on the article, which is why I made the comment I did. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Nately120 - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 07:47 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: The whole reason to lock up your firearms is to prevent someone who shouldn't be accessing them from accessing them and using them in a manner they shouldn't be used. If you store your ammunition with your firearms then access to one storage location means they not only have the firearms, but the ammunition as well. In the case of someone with nefarious intent, they now have all they need to do damage. In the case of a child being curious, they now have the ability to inadvertently harm themselves or someone else. Makes sense, but so much firearms talk involves situations where seconds matter, so I never figured you'd put another lock in the way of being ready. I realize that's a lot of talk, but I also know multiple people who had to begrudgingly yet quickly arm themselves against people approaching or in one case forcibly entering their homes with criminal intent. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 07:54 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Makes sense, but so much firearms talk involves situations where seconds matter, so I never figured you'd put another lock in the way of being ready. We are talking about storage of firearms that aren't in that "ready to be used" situation. Like my rifles, shotguns, and pistols that are more for the range or hunting. I have a pistol that is accessible, and of course if I am carrying then it is accessible. But there is one in my bedroom that isn't behind a lock, just well hidden and not even my wife knows where it is. However, it is never unattended in this way. It gets tucked away like that when I am at home, only. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Nately120 - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 08:13 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: We are talking about storage of firearms that aren't in that "ready to be used" situation. Like my rifles, shotguns, and pistols that are more for the range or hunting. I have a pistol that is accessible, and of course if I am carrying then it is accessible. But there is one in my bedroom that isn't behind a lock, just well hidden and not even my wife knows where it is. However, it is never unattended in this way. It gets tucked away like that when I am at home, only. Ah ok. Im not arguing, i figures it safe to say people who own guns and aren't currently looking down the barrel of their own firearm know more about it than i do. I feel like a gun is like a mind...it's only useful when it's loaded. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 08:19 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Ah ok. Im not arguing, i figures it safe to say people who own guns and aren't currently looking down the barrel of their own firearm know more about it than i do. This is true. Of course, you don't need all of your firearms at a given time. I don't need my bear hunting rifle to be ready in case someone breaks into my house, for instance. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - hollodero - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 08:57 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is true. Of course, you don't need all of your firearms at a given time. I don't need my bear hunting rifle to be ready in case someone breaks into my house, for instance. What if a bear breaks in? Also, the whole point of storing guns in schools seems to be that guns are available at any time in case of an active shooter. Meaning, available at a second's notice, including with ammunition. To be clear, I am of course not in favor of this, seems more like providing the assets to the potential killer so he doesn't have to bring his own murder weapons and can act on a spontaneous impulse. But still. When you store guns for the good guys to stop a shooter and store the ammunition separately, it seems to serve no purpose at all. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 09:41 AM)hollodero Wrote: What if a bear breaks in? If a bear breaks in then it will get about 35 rounds of 9mm pumped into it at close range. It won't be 75-150 yards away like when I get them in the woods. The quick access firearm is the sidearm for the SRO. Additional seconds always count in something like this, but the very nature of having a firearm in a safe at a static location means that it would be for a more delayed reaction. I would actually contend that the SRO should just carry two magazines for the rifle on their belt during the day. Then you have them separate, it's controlled access, and it isn't an extra step. Grab the rifle, mag is already in hand. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - hollodero - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 09:51 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: If a bear breaks in then it will get about 35 rounds of 9mm pumped into it at close range. It won't be 75-150 yards away like when I get them in the woods. Makes perfect sense, I did not think of that. Which is not to say I don't still think that is a terrible idea. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 09:57 AM)hollodero Wrote: Makes perfect sense, I did not think of that. Oh, same here. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - hollodero - 08-08-2022 (08-08-2022, 10:02 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Oh, same here. Can I ask though, and apologies because you most probably already answered that somewhere, what would be good solutions/measures, if there are any? RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Arturo Bandini - 08-08-2022 More guns !!!! RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - guyofthetiger - 08-08-2022 I thought most places are gun free zones for a reason. Having guns on the premises just might backfire if someone gets control of them. Personally, I would focus on response times of police and maybe the on site officer. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - Belsnickel - 08-09-2022 (08-08-2022, 10:05 AM)hollodero Wrote: Can I ask though, and apologies because you most probably already answered that somewhere, what would be good solutions/measures, if there are any? There is a lot of debate on this. I am in the camp of root-cause-mitigation when it comes to violence of any sort. What this means is that I like to try to focus on the underlying causes of the violence and not the violence itself. Things like improving our mental healthcare system in this country, improving our education system so that children do not end up feeling lost in the system as easily. These are things that would reduce not just violence, but would improve many other things as well. RE: AR-15s put in all Madison Cnty schools to enhance security in case of active shooter - michaelsean - 08-09-2022 (08-08-2022, 07:47 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: The whole reason to lock up your firearms is to prevent someone who shouldn't be accessing them from accessing them and using them in a manner they shouldn't be used. If you store your ammunition with your firearms then access to one storage location means they not only have the firearms, but the ammunition as well. In the case of someone with nefarious intent, they now have all they need to do damage. In the case of a child being curious, they now have the ability to inadvertently harm themselves or someone else. So I'm a little curious also. If someone doesn't have children, then who is this person with nefarious intent? A burglar doesn't really need ammo on the spot. |