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RE: Collins is back - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 08-12-2022
(08-12-2022, 11:36 AM)Joelist Wrote: It fell off a cliff. Prince was not good at RT and Adeniji was a disaster at RG. The other problem was the injury to Carman at about the same time.
Amazing all this happened and we still ended up going to the SuperBowl anyways.
Some say we were really lucky with injuries last year, this kind of thwarts that thought.
I hope we are much luckier this season.
RE: Collins is back - Nicomo Cosca - 08-12-2022
(08-12-2022, 03:47 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Amazing all this happened and we still ended up going to the SuperBowl anyways.
Some say we were really lucky with injuries last year, this kind of thwarts that thought.
I hope we are much luckier this season.
Hopkins was clearly never right either. He got better during the 2nd half of the season, but honestly after Reiff went down the only stability we had on the OL was LT & LG.
RE: Collins is back - Joelist - 08-12-2022
In postseason our Guard room had Spain playing hurt, Carman hurt, XSF out, Adeniji playing hurt. Add in Hopkins not 100% and Reiff out and we got to the Super Bowl with a MASH unit. I do think that had Reiff not gone out we win the SB outright.
RE: Collins is back - SHRacerX - 08-13-2022
(08-12-2022, 11:36 AM)Joelist Wrote: It fell off a cliff. Prince was not good at RT and Adeniji was a disaster at RG. The other problem was the injury to Carman at about the same time.
Yeah, and even against backups last night, these former starters looked like poo.
RE: Collins is back - jj22 - 08-15-2022
**Was back
La’el Collins is not at practice yet today. He’s not on the rehab field, either. This whole situation is starting raise questions. LC has yet to go full-go with his new team and there’s been very little info shared regarding his back injury, the severity & how it happened
— Kelsey Conway (@KelseyLConway) August 15, 2022
RE: Collins is back - Nepa - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 05:49 PM)jj22 Wrote: **Was back
La’el Collins is not at practice yet today. He’s not on the rehab field, either. This whole situation is starting raise questions. LC has yet to go full-go with his new team and there’s been very little info shared regarding his back injury, the severity & how it happened
— Kelsey Conway (@KelseyLConway) August 15, 2022
Oh, boy. Can you imagine Prince at RT again.
RE: Collins is back - Frank Booth - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 05:49 PM)jj22 Wrote: **Was back
La’el Collins is not at practice yet today. He’s not on the rehab field, either. This whole situation is starting raise questions. LC has yet to go full-go with his new team and there’s been very little info shared regarding his back injury, the severity & how it happened
— Kelsey Conway (@KelseyLConway) August 15, 2022
you have to wonder if this contributed to his realtively cheap bargain contract
RE: Collins is back - Synric - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 05:49 PM)jj22 Wrote: **Was back
La’el Collins is not at practice yet today. He’s not on the rehab field, either. This whole situation is starting raise questions. LC has yet to go full-go with his new team and there’s been very little info shared regarding his back injury, the severity & how it happened
— Kelsey Conway (@KelseyLConway) August 15, 2022
It was a planned off day.
Bengals OL coach Frank Pollack said today was a planned day for RT La’el Collins. He maintained that it’s a very open competition at left guard. He also had high praise for Trey Hill, saying he’s in the mix at LG.
— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) August 15, 2022
RE: Collins is back - ochocincos - 08-15-2022
(08-12-2022, 05:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Hopkins was clearly never right either. He got better during the 2nd half of the season, but honestly after Reiff went down the only stability we had on the OL was LT & LG.
In the postseason, Hopkins actually had the highest pass-blocking grade of all Bengals OL.
72.3 PB grade.
Only 1 sack, 0 hits, 2 total pressures allowed.
The others:
Jonah Williams - 61.6 PB grade, 2 sacks, 1 hit, 9 total pressures allowed
Quinton Spain - 49.4 PB grade, 2 sacks, 1 hit , 7 total pressures allowed
Hakeem Adeniji - 19.9 PB grade, 6 sacks, 0 hits, 14 total pressures allowed
Isaiah Prince - 31.8 PB grade, 2 sacks, 3 hits, 18 total pressures allowed
So yes, Hopkins actually performed damn well starting after the bye week, including the postseason. He may not be a good run blocker, but he can pass protect.
RE: Collins is back - Nepa - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:00 PM)Synric Wrote: It was a planned off day.
Bengals OL coach Frank Pollack said today was a planned day for RT La’el Collins. He maintained that it’s a very open competition at left guard. He also had high praise for Trey Hill, saying he’s in the mix at LG.
— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) August 15, 2022
Thanks for the calming update.
RE: Collins is back - Nepa - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In the postseason, Hopkins actually had the highest pass-blocking grade of all Bengals OL.
72.3 PB grade.
Only 1 sack, 0 hits, 2 total pressures allowed.
The others:
Jonah Williams - 61.6 PB grade, 2 sacks, 1 hit, 9 total pressures allowed
Quinton Spain - 49.4 PB grade, 2 sacks, 1 hit , 7 total pressures allowed
Hakeem Adeniji - 19.9 PB grade, 6 sacks, 0 hits, 14 total pressures allowed
Isaiah Prince - 31.8 PB grade, 2 sacks, 3 hits, 18 total pressures allowed
So yes, Hopkins actually performed damn well starting after the bye week, including the postseason. He may not be a good run blocker, but he can pass protect.
Wow. Adeniji 6 sacks allowed and 19.9 PB grade in the postseason and Prince 2 sacks and 18 total pressures. I don't see how anyone could do much worse.
RE: Collins is back - Frank Booth - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: So yes, Hopkins actually performed damn well starting after the bye week, including the postseason. He may not be a good run blocker, but he can pass protect.
I actually want Hopkins back. Move Karras to his better position.
plus he isnt immature like Spain. Should be cheaper too
RE: Collins is back - Nicomo Cosca - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:00 PM)Synric Wrote: It was a planned off day.
Bengals OL coach Frank Pollack said today was a planned day for RT La’el Collins. He maintained that it’s a very open competition at left guard. He also had high praise for Trey Hill, saying he’s in the mix at LG.
— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) August 15, 2022
That Kelsey Conway tweet looks pretty silly with this info being so readily available to Goldsmith.
RE: Collins is back - Nicomo Cosca - 08-15-2022
I always liked Hopkins, but he can’t run block for shit. Which is kind of a big deal for an IOL.
RE: Collins is back - Frank Booth - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I always liked Hopkins, but he can’t run block for shit. Which is kind of a big deal for an IOL.
I think this team would prefer a lineman who could pass protect well more than run block
RE: Collins is back - Nicomo Cosca - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:24 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think this team would prefer a lineman who could pass protect well more than run block
Karras can do both. Which is why he’s our starting Center now.
I’d take Hopkins back as a backup, or to compete at LG, but that’s about it.
RE: Collins is back - Frank Booth - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:26 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Karras can do both. Which is why he’s our starting Center now.
I’d take Hopkins back as a backup, or to compete at LG, but that’s about it.
Hopkins isnt strong enough to play guard. Hopkins is a pure center. Karras is better at G
Bunch of guys who can run and pass block, and then a center who is a decent pass blocker.
Hopkins at C would def be a better pass protector than Volson and Carman at LG. And like I said, pass protection is more important for this offense
RE: Collins is back - ochocincos - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:24 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think this team would prefer a lineman who could pass protect well more than run block
The fans would, at least!
RE: Collins is back - Nicomo Cosca - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:29 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Hopkins isnt strong enough to play guard. Hopkins is a pure center. Karras is better at G
Bunch of guys who can run and pass block, and then a center who is a decent pass blocker.
Hopkins at C would def be a better pass protector than Volson and Carman at LG. And like I said, pass protection is more important for this offense
Ocho actually posted his grades at OG at one point, and they were much better than people seem to remember. The way some talk you’d think he was straight trash at OG. He wasn’t.
RE: Collins is back - Synric - 08-15-2022
(08-15-2022, 06:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Ocho actually posted his grades at OG at one point, and they were much better than people seem to remember. The way some talk you’d think he was straight trash at OG. He wasn’t.
People only remember Hopkin's first year playing and that was at guard. Of course since it was his first NFL regular season reps he was inconsistent. The next year he split time between Center and Guard and actually played well in both spots.