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Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - GMDino - 11-27-2015 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/27/pope-francis-kenya-visit/76440712/ Quote:Pope Francis said Friday that education and jobs will prevent young people from being radicalized and heading off to join militant groups. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 11-27-2015 We already educate loads of Muslims on student visas ..... Yet they still radical up. They need to wipe this cancer out of their own society. Until then they should just be isolated. United States, Canada and Russia could handle the world's needs for energy. This will let the Middle East sort itself out. No more visas until you clear out the radical factions in your country . If the world did this then they would sort themselves out straight away . RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - Bengalzona - 11-27-2015 I think the pope is spot on. Unemployment especially provides a breeding ground for extremist ideologies. If you look at the rise of all modern extremist ideologies (communism, Nazis, anarchism, radical Islam, etc.), you generally find there has been some type of economic hardship prior to that rise. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - Belsnickel - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 07:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I think the pope is spot on. Unemployment especially provides a breeding ground for extremist ideologies. If you look at the rise of all modern extremist ideologies (communism, Nazis, anarchism, radical Islam, etc.), you generally find there has been some type of economic hardship prior to that rise. Indeed. It's the same situation for street gang recruitment. A lack of opportunity and community puts people in search of both. This makes them prime candidates. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 07:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I think the pope is spot on. Unemployment especially provides a breeding ground for extremist ideologies. If you look at the rise of all modern extremist ideologies (communism, Nazis, anarchism, radical Islam, etc.), you generally find there has been some type of economic hardship prior to that rise. Agree with the others .... But Islamic is different . Plenty of wealth in that region . They choose to live this way. They could have easily advanced their society but have chosen to stay into the dark ages . RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - GMDino - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 06:20 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We already educate loads of Muslims on student visas ..... Yet they still radical up. Yes. No better way to make people want to better themselves or get out of the recruitment type situations than by isolating them with the recruiters. Top notch idea there. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - Vas Deferens - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 08:02 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Agree with the others .... But Islamic is different . Plenty of wealth in that region . They choose to live this way. They could have easily advanced their society but have chosen to stay into the dark ages . Are these 'dark ages' you speak of? RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 08:43 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Are these 'dark ages' you speak of? Yet they still have millions living in huts. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 08:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes. No better way to make people want to better themselves or get out of the recruitment type situations than by isolating them with the recruiters. they bring their violence here. Close em off. Let them sort themselves out. Then once they can show they can live like civilized people. Then we can let them visit. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - GMDino - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 10:50 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yet they still have millions living in huts. In America we call them "trailers" or "cabins" RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - GMDino - 11-27-2015 (11-27-2015, 10:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: they bring their violence here. Close em off. Let them sort themselves out. Then once they can show they can live like civilized people. Then we can let them visit. Sure they do...in your fevered dreams. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - BmorePat87 - 11-28-2015 Only 20% of the global Muslim population lives in the Middle East and North Africa. Let's ignore annoying things like facts and pretend like most of them did live in the Middle East and we shut them off. Would we then have to give back everything they preserved from the ancient world while Europe was busy being "uncivilized" in the dark ages? What about all of the scientific, medical, and mathematical advances made during the Islamic Golden Age? Should we just give that back? "Sorry, we don't need your 'savage' algebra". I know a lot of my students would be happy with that. Less time spent on algebra, more time spent learning how to mow their grass. Before we isolate them, should we go back and fix all of the problems we caused by drawing borders based on Western needs instead of preserving centuries old tribal and ethnic divisions? After the World Wars, we realized the issues that causes in Europe and sought to create nations based on ethnic identities. We didn't want another "uncivilized" affair like the first World Wars that saw hundreds of millions of Europeans slaughter each other over things like one guy getting shot. Savage... Maybe we should apologize for promising many in the Middle East that they would have self determination if they helped defeat the empire that controlled them, only to leave them out after the war was over and divide them up as colonies while taking land from Palestinians and giving European Jews a state that they could self govern. How would we react if Iran secretly installed a dictator as our leader? The reason why radical Muslims care more about religious identity than ethnic identity is because we spent the last 100 years destroying any ability for them to have an ethnic identity. They're modeling their behavior after European nationalism of the late 19th century and Early 20th century. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - Rotobeast - 11-28-2015 (11-27-2015, 08:43 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Are these 'dark ages' you speak of?The heathens are rebuilding the tower of babel ! (11-28-2015, 11:28 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: How would we react if Iran secretly installed a dictator as our leader? Apparently we'd reelect them. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 11-28-2015 (11-28-2015, 11:28 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Only 20% of the global Muslim population lives in the Middle East and North Africa. Let's ignore annoying things like facts and pretend like most of them did live in the Middle East and we shut them off. Would we then have to give back everything they preserved from the ancient world while Europe was busy being "uncivilized" in the dark ages? What about all of the scientific, medical, and mathematical advances made during the Islamic Golden Age? Should we just give that back? It took educated Brits and Dutch a couple hundred years to make the greatest nation the world has ever seen..... And they did it by transforming barbaric people to what we know today. You speak of how great the middle was/is.... It's been how long and they still haven't achieved our level of greatness. They still are barbaric with people starving. Whereas our starving people are fat. Great things have come from that area but they refuse to progress with modern society . Despite the resources available to transform their countries. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - BmorePat87 - 11-28-2015 (11-28-2015, 03:38 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It took educated Brits and Dutch a couple hundred years to make the greatest nation the world has ever seen..... And they did it by transforming barbaric people to what we know today. You speak of how great the middle was/is.... It's been how long and they still haven't achieved our level of greatness. They still are barbaric with people starving. Whereas our starving people are fat. Out of curiosity, which country did the British and Dutch spend hundreds of years to transform "barbaric people" into "the greatest nation the world has ever seen"? RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - GMDino - 11-28-2015 (11-28-2015, 03:38 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It took educated Brits and Dutch a couple hundred years to make the greatest nation the world has ever seen..... And they did it by transforming barbaric people to what we know today. You speak of how great the middle was/is.... It's been how long and they still haven't achieved our level of greatness. They still are barbaric with people starving. Whereas our starving people are fat. Ancient Greece? Rome? Egypt? Great Britain? RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 11-28-2015 (11-28-2015, 04:15 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Out of curiosity, which country did the British and Dutch spend hundreds of years to transform "barbaric people" into "the greatest nation the world has ever seen"? British and Dutch colonists. They came here, and turned north America into something great . Something the inhabitants could never do . Like I have said in the past. I'm glad we were a British colony . Had we been a Spanish Colony we would be 3rd world. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - michaelsean - 11-29-2015 Is the pope referring to people like the 19 responsible for over 3000 American deaths? They don't seem to have fit his profile. Radicals come from all different socio economic classes. RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - BmorePat87 - 11-29-2015 (11-28-2015, 10:23 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: British and Dutch colonists. They came here, and turned north America into something great . Something the inhabitants could never do . The British and Dutch caused this? That's a bold claim that I would love to see some evidence to support. I'd argue the founding fathers and all those who came after them to lead the US have far more to do with the fact that the US became what it is. You also said the British and Dutch transformed "barbaric people" to do this. How so? RE: Pope: Education, jobs will prevent radicalization - StLucieBengal - 12-02-2015 (11-29-2015, 12:46 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The British and Dutch caused this? That's a bold claim that I would love to see some evidence to support. I'd argue the founding fathers and all those who came after them to lead the US have far more to do with the fact that the US became what it is. British and Dutch colonists laid the foundation for their ancestors to build on. Had the Spanish came here instead we would be like Central and south America. Or even worse had no one came here this land would be at constant war within its borders. Because the native amercians never wanted a nation. They were too self absorbed with their tribes. Much like the Middle East is too caught up with their tribes or religious group to maintain any peace. And we have gone over this, they didn't waste time trying to intergrate the natives. They just moved in and used the native Americans to fight each other while the Europeans transformed the land into something useable. But hey if you want to go back to the Native American way then there are plenty of places in the world you can live like a third world person constantly at war with other tribes. |